USCC (leave your axe outside) - Page 98

Ephaeton · 29 Jul 2013, 17:49 (Ref:3283402)

@ACFlinn: gimme Taylor's compensation and I'd even like the corvettes.

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Originally Posted by CyberMotor

Sounds like he is not too thrilled with where USCR is headed. Calls all the excitement as "uniformed enthusiasm".

uninformed*, but yeah, he hits the nail on the head.

And here's the point that keeps rubbing on me (and gets me tagged as troll in the GA camp, obviously):

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Originally Posted by Pickett

Honestly, I think it's hard for anyone to commit to buy a product when almost one year later, you still don't know what you're getting

Fogelhund · 29 Jul 2013, 18:12 (Ref:3283414)

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Originally Posted by Pickett
Honestly, I think it's hard for anyone to commit to buy a product when almost one year later, you still don't know what you're getting

This is one of the major problems. You have two poor management groups, with opposing ideologies, stick them together and expect success.....

The problem here is that those who wish to talk about expense are dealing at the most simple levels. I'm not sure where critical thinking has gone, but there is a strong fail contained within.

If people just wanted close racing, then Conti would be the most successful racing around... plenty of club racing and lower levels are close racing. But, this is "supposed" to be top level racing, and the most popular forms haven't always had close racing, though the ALMS finishes through much of it's history has been as close as Grand Am.

The cars are the draw... that's it. At least from the fans perspective. Spec cars, near spec, or boutique nameplates are not the draw, never will be.

That doesn't mean you do things the way you always have, rather you modify the strategy, and learn from the past.

But to make things so simple, well it is simple minded.

This Management group can't even come up with rules, or barely anything else in nearly twelve months. Their priorities are out of order and they lack any future direction. Really "merging" two sets of cars from different rules sets is hardly the biggest challenge here, it is the expectation that two management groups who were essentially failures would be able to achieve anything worth while.

It really is a bit of a comedy.

BullMan · 29 Jul 2013, 18:32 (Ref:3283416)

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Originally Posted by CyberMotor

Sounds like he is not too thrilled with where USCR is headed. Calls all the excitement as "uniformed enthusiasm".

Really sucks to be potentially losing a very well funded team when half the field is crying about increased costs.

Ephaeton · 29 Jul 2013, 18:34 (Ref:3283417)

It has the potential though to finally get a message through to the USCR mgmt.

David Land · 29 Jul 2013, 18:42 (Ref:3283422)

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Originally Posted by Ephaeton

It has the potential though to finally get a message through to the USCR mgmt.

No way. If Daytona cared about Greg Pickett P1 would be a class next year.

Maelochs · 29 Jul 2013, 18:48 (Ref:3283425)

The "message" doesn't have to get there in time for 2014 (though at the rate USCR is moving, you could send a message in the Christmas mail and it would get there before the new rules were announced.)

The message has to get there by early 2015, so the 2016 rules actually outline a potentially popular and profitable racing series.

Some one in the World Center of Racing needs to realize there is an outside world by Spring 2015. Hoping for more will just get you disappointed.

Fogelhund · 29 Jul 2013, 19:02 (Ref:3283429)

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Originally Posted by Ephaeton

It has the potential though to finally get a message through to the USCR mgmt.

..This message has been repeatedly stated to the USCR management by other entrants on both sides. I doubt one more voice suddenly turns the light bulb on.

Fogelhund · 29 Jul 2013, 19:07 (Ref:3283431)

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Originally Posted by David Land

No way. If Daytona cared about Greg Pickett P1 would be a class next year.

Hardly the message at all. You've missed the point.

gregtummer · 29 Jul 2013, 19:32 (Ref:3283439)

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Originally Posted by ACFlinn

I could say the same thing about the relationship between the WEC and Sebring. I thought 2011 and 2012 were both huge successes. However, this year, the WEC decided to skip Sebring and schedule an event at COTA, instead. Why couldn't the WEC support Sebring?

According to you, it was because of the LMP2 car count.

**skycafe** · 29 Jul 2013, 21:42 (Ref:3283472)

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Originally Posted by Mechanic Z

Greg Pickett looking at a possible Indycar program.
http://www.racer.com/muscle-milk-pic...rticle/305015/

"Money isn't the concern for Pickett as he looks to secure his team's future, but keeping his team together and engaged in something equal or greater to P1 racing appears to be the main priority."

What option for 'something equal or greater to P1' exists in N. America?

EricS · 29 Jul 2013, 21:52 (Ref:3283473)

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Originally Posted by skycafe

"Money isn't the concern for Pickett as he looks to secure his team's future, but keeping his team together and engaged in something equal or greater to P1 racing appears to be the main priority."

What option for 'something equal or greater to P1' exists in N. America?

He says what in the next line:

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“We're already racing with an IndyCar budget, a [NASCAR] Nationwide budget,” he admitted.

**skycafe** · 29 Jul 2013, 22:25 (Ref:3283487)

Oh, I read that part too, but does either IndyCar or Nationwide satisfy the need for the engineering challenge?

Maelochs · 29 Jul 2013, 22:33 (Ref:3283495)

Given the fact that he says that he wants to try IndyCar to find out, I'd say that probably he wants to try IndyCar to find out.

HORNDAWG · 29 Jul 2013, 22:38 (Ref:3283498)

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Originally Posted by skycafe

Oh, I read that part too, but does either IndyCar or Nationwide satisfy the need for the engineering challenge?

Getting an Acura NSX GTLM program up to speed would, until 2016 'P' car comes along.

L.P.

Canada ALMS fan · 29 Jul 2013, 22:42 (Ref:3283500)

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Originally Posted by jeast

If people want to see slow spec cars with high car counts and close a "Show" I wish they would just watch Spec Miata and leave top level sporstcar racing alone.

Amen brother, I've already lost interest in the USCR and have moved on. Slow this, restrict that, spec, cheap, blah, blah, blah. It will be one hell of a club race series, not a TOP LEVEL PROFESSIONAL SERIES. Read Greg Pickett's comments in the last six paragraphs of this:http://www.racer.com/muscle-milk-pic...rticle/305015/

Canada ALMS fan · 29 Jul 2013, 22:48 (Ref:3283501)

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Originally Posted by ACFlinn

For years, some fans have wanted ALMS (USCR in 2014) to be the sports car racing equivalent (high tech) of F1. So again, if fans insist that teams purchase brand new cars just to be competitive and that purses be doubled, why shouldn't ticket prices reflect that?

The era of gimme, gimme, gimme is over.

Andy Flinn

The era of ALMS levels of fan interest is over...

Canada ALMS fan · 29 Jul 2013, 22:51 (Ref:3283502)

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Originally Posted by FordCosworthPanoz

"For the Fans"

Too many words - the news series will have "Four Fans".

Salamus · 29 Jul 2013, 23:00 (Ref:3283507)

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Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

Too many words - the news series will have "Four Fans".

Looks like you won't be changing your name to Canada USCR fan.

But seriously, at least give it a try next year. IMO they have done more right then wrong so far and if they get the balance right, then the racing should be great. And I know, we all love the technological side of the ALMS, but we still got that in the GTE class.

canamman · 29 Jul 2013, 23:21 (Ref:3283525)

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Originally Posted by ACFlinn

How would you feel about paying double for a ticket next year?

Andy Flinn

I see your point but that is not how it works in a capitalistic economy
such as the USA. In a perfect world the USCR should be able to capture all of the Rolex crowd and ALMS crowd together on the same weekend.
There is your double up at the gate for 1 race.

If the USCR product was equivallent to a 24hr LeMans field with all of the P1s
etc. then I would pay double for that weekend. Another words , the product needs to be that awesome to demand that kind of ticket price.

I am already going to Daytona no matter what. I have to see that in person. It is a watershed moment for sportscar. To see all of those drivers is really going to be amazing. Its been too long.

Breitling24 · 29 Jul 2013, 23:24 (Ref:3283526)

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Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

Amen brother, I've already lost interest in the USCR and have moved on.

...which is why you have three consecutive posts today in the "USCR" thread?

I mean, I lost interest in NASCAR along time ago, and haven't posted, or even read one of those threads. Your comment just struck me as funny.

USCR: you want it, you know you want it.

Maelochs · 29 Jul 2013, 23:29 (Ref:3283530)

"In a perfect world the USCR should be able to capture all of the Rolex crowd and ALMS crowd together on the same weekend.

There is your (double up??) seven percent increase at the gate for 1 race."

Fixed that for you.

rwindle · 29 Jul 2013, 23:37 (Ref:3283534)

Watching the Fehan and Elkins interviews I was struck the most by Fehan's perception of Grand Am registration and technical inspection ... "We're not happy until you're unhappy".

I find Fehan and Pickett's viewpoints realistic ... not be to confused with confidence inspiring ... that would be un-informed optimism.

CyberMotor · 29 Jul 2013, 23:47 (Ref:3283542)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Yes, with those who have forgotten how to navigate a simple site, it would certainly appear as that may be the case.
L.P.

If you need help, I'm here to help you.

canamman · 30 Jul 2013, 00:01 (Ref:3283543)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

Fixed that for you.

Somehow I knew you would.

**skycafe** · 30 Jul 2013, 00:21 (Ref:3283551)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

Given the fact that he says that he wants to try IndyCar to find out, I'd say that probably he wants to try IndyCar to find out.

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