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Old 12 Oct 2005, 22:13 (Ref:1432234)   #61
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[QUOTE=Andrew Kitson]In the really old days, Snetterton never had a Russell. After Coram the track had a gentle left hander to the pit straight called Paddock bend.
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Smart ar*e time - how Snett has changed.
Note the first short version 1974. The new Esses was a fast left/right kink until a couple of nasty accidents against the vehicle bridge supports. The Esses were then tightened as today. Shows how the proposed layout will be a radical change.
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 22:25 (Ref:1432239)   #62
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It was certainly a fairly odd shaped circuit in the old days. Interesting to note how much tighter it has got over the years with the proposed layout the tightest by far.
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 22:29 (Ref:1432241)   #63
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When it first opened, the shape was determined by the perimeter roads of Snetterton Heath aerodrome.
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 22:34 (Ref:1432242)   #64
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Mr Kitson, sir, (by the way how are you?) think it is time you did a book on the circuit!! dont think there are many people with better knowledge, and could be the right time for such an item!
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 22:41 (Ref:1432246)   #65
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No no no, not me Andy! Others know far more. Anyway fine mate..you?
The late Peter Swinger knew it very well, as in his book 'Motor Racing Circuits in England Then and Now'. Then there is ex-circuit commentator Norman Greenway, Ralph Firman Sr, and local snapper Richard Styles who has probably covered every meeting since the mid 60s. And bet your bottom dollar Marcus Pye knows more than all of us put together...
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Old 13 Oct 2005, 02:27 (Ref:1432323)   #66
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I have that book by Peter Swinger, it's superb.

I was just thinking though, looking at the track layout primarily, how's it all going to fit in? Snetterton is that big, I'm wondering where the run-offs that will no doubt be needed for big events in this day and age will go?

I'm also wondering if the massive earth bank that's been put up this year on the outside of the Revett straight will have anything to do with this...
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Old 13 Oct 2005, 04:21 (Ref:1432342)   #67
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It was certainly a fairly odd shaped circuit in the old days.
My introduction to marshalling was as course/incident marshal then flaggie on the Old Hairpin at the end of the Norwich Straight and leading onto the Home Straight towards the Esses.

The sight of a full grid of cars whether F5000's, F3's, Formula Fords or saloons hammering towards you then all trying to be the king of the late braker's into the tightish hairpin was always entertaining. The battle between Brian Redman in a McLaren and Frank Gardner in a Lola T330 which unfortunately ended up side by side nose into the bank on the outside of the left hander into the old Esses being something I will never forget!

The Russell kink 67 to 73 was also awesome with the flag point right in the middle of the cormer on top of the track with the cars coming through mostly flat out at your feet as it were.

I would guess that the earth bank along Revett is for several reasons, firstly as a possible spectator viewing bank allowing people to see the new Riches /Sear complex, secondly to deflect/absorb noise especially when the new hotel, business park is in place, and thirdly to prevent non-paying spectators / photographers from the market site.

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Old 13 Oct 2005, 06:50 (Ref:1432377)   #68
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Mike, there is a lot of space on the infield at Snett. Plenty of room for the run-offs required. It has long been under-used, the occasional big meeting to turn it into a campsite. The earth bank along Revett is indeed for spectators, but also to help keep noise in and as Terry says, to stop the market lot seeing the action (albeit from afar) for free!
The grass area behind the bank up to the market perimeter fence will be the car park I guess. I was there Monday, the digger was busy finishing off the earth bank at Sear end. Great days agree Terry. I too remember the F5000 incident. I also remember sitting in the Esses stand in 1967 (at the later named 'Bombhole') when a Mini got it wrong, barrel rolled along the road to Coram. The driver emerged unscathed from his inverted car, threw his helmet down in a rage and kicked the Mini - hard - to great applause! Fuel was pouring from the filler cap all over the road but no fire luckily. The driver then appeared to collapse. It Turned out he broke his foot kicking the car!
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Old 13 Oct 2005, 07:53 (Ref:1432412)   #69
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The late Peter Swinger knew it very well, as in his book 'Motor Racing Circuits in England Then and Now'.
Oh, I didn't realise that Peter Swinger had died. The introduction to the book eludes to a second volume (Wales, Scotland, Ireland, etc) which I was waiting with baited breath for...
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With regard to run offs, that shouldnt be a problem, as I beleive various fields around the circuit are now owned by MSV and therefore exsiting run off areas can be increased.

You are too modest Mr Kitson, you have a very good knowledge and a very good bank of photographs as well! And the tales you and Terry have of past races (before i was born i may add ) are really interesting. Altho with that comment I can see neither of you will be wanting to tell me any more!! LOL
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Old 13 Oct 2005, 08:46 (Ref:1432455)   #71
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I love that Mini story Andrew, some people (drivers) can really make pratts of themselves sometimes thats for sure.
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I fell off the A127 once, ripped both the sides of the car and turned the saloon into a hatchback. Got out the car totally unscathed, punched it and broke a knuckle. I haven't physically attacked a vehicle since, you usually come off worse!
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Old 13 Oct 2005, 09:19 (Ref:1432490)   #73
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I also have a vague memory of seeing a horrendous shunt at the Esses ( again bombhole) where the car in question seemed to explode into a million pieces, but no fire. The driver was thrown out and landed sitting on the grass bank at the side unscathed! A bit young at the time, no idea on year but was told later it was Jackie Oliver in the wooden framed Marcos. Terry remember that one?
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Old 13 Oct 2005, 12:51 (Ref:1432672)   #74
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The track layout changes look fine (though i am no track designer. I'm not Herman Tilke, either...). Getting rid of the Chicane is right (I always felt it Senna Straight needed to be preceded by a corner that requires you to plant your right foot by the apex and hang on), and the other changes appear reasonable.
I'm more interested in the other facilities. All sound right, but execution and use is critical. I've always felt that Snetterton was the rough diamond in the MSV deal, with huge potential.
In the middle of nowhere (minimal nimyism)
Huge catchment area, minimal competition, and access is better than you first think (excepting that small stretch of the A11) - the potential is for a motorsport centre for the region drawing in all the related businesses.
So I would hope to see
- The "School loop": Make it available for cheap shakedown test & demos (for club racers, perhaps on an "arrive & pay by the hour" basis?)
- Business Park: Brilliant. Get all sorts of key businesses and services to cover all aspects of motorsport servicing. You will then get racers turning up on non-race days to get their bits. But key is getting the right selection of businesses in - a Demon Tweeks superstore? A fabricator, a panel-beater? It's not just about getting teams in there - create a shopping village where I can get all my bits & pieces sorted (and that may apply wheher I'm a professional or amateur race driver, a sports car driver, perhaps even a Max Power Muppet). Put it all in one place, and i'll go there on a shopping trip.
- Hotel: My impression is that the area is not particularly well serviced for rooms (not of the type that competitors want). I suspect this will turn out as a bland Novotel (like a certain Kent-based hotel Mr P will know well). I would hope it could be built as a comfy 'clubhouse' cheap rooms (excepting major events), simple pie & a pint, encourage campers to wander in (maybe food, but definitely a pint) so the craic is good). On race (and trackday) eve, it will be rammed with like-minded individuals, which will mean good occupancy through the week and year. Easy to describe, but difficult to achieve.
- Conference Centre: I'm not convinced, but if demand exceeds supply, go for it!
- Train Station: Err... OK. Not convinced, but I like his thinking by considering a non-car form of access.
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I also have a vague memory of seeing a horrendous shunt at the Esses ( again bombhole) where the car in question seemed to explode into a million pieces, but no fire. The driver was thrown out and landed sitting on the grass bank at the side unscathed! A bit young at the time, no idea on year but was told later it was Jackie Oliver in the wooden framed Marcos. Terry remember that one?
I was at that meeting,have film of the remains being hauled back into the paddock,and Jackie brushing the splinters out of his hair-wooden chassis! Was about 1962 when we used to go by train to Eccles Road,a mile walk thorough a pig farm and down a runway found the entrance by the hairpin off the A11.
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