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Old 2 May 2004, 16:49 (Ref:958703)   #211
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The car ex Lafosse / Filipinetti was HU 282/6 from Lola factory the 04 of January 1973 . I founded this info in french magasine "AUTOMOBILES CLASSIQUES" n°81 Mars / Avril 1997.
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Old 2 May 2004, 17:34 (Ref:958727)   #212
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Hi Alain,

That makes sense, as Autosport's 1973 Daytona report said the car was brand new, having only had a few laps practice before arriving. At least we confirm that it was HU6.
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Old 2 May 2004, 19:46 (Ref:958776)   #213
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the reporter tell exactly :after J Bonnier death the run was broken for the T 280 career . But Jl Lafosse enterred a car with french cigarettes colours , its this sixth model of T280 serie,listed the 4th of January 1973 in the Lola register , is now running in historic races , droved by J Blaton .(my comment is: Scuderia Filipinetti buyed the car and Jl Lafosse bring the "Gitane" sponsorship)
The car was by C Fox rebuilded in T286 specifications , whose for models was builded to 1977 ....
other comment : why the car was rebuilded , after crash ?
why in T286 specifications , for FIA historics races standard ?
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Old 2 May 2004, 22:08 (Ref:958883)   #214
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Jeremy
the reporter tell exactly :after J Bonnier death the run was broken for the T 280 career . But Jl Lafosse enterred a car with french cigarettes colours , its this sixth model of T280 serie,listed the 4th of January 1973 in the Lola register , is now running in historic races , droved by J Blaton .(my comment is: Scuderia Filipinetti buyed the car and Jl Lafosse bring the "Gitane" sponsorship)
The car was by C Fox rebuilded in T286 specifications , whose for models was builded to 1977 ....
other comment : why the car was rebuilded , after crash ?
why in T286 specifications , for FIA historics races standard ?
best regards
Alain

I don't think that is quite how Fox explained it to me...

He said that the car was in T286 specification when it came to them, so somebody else (Jolly Club) had already carried out this work. Given that, from memory, Jolly Club raced the car for a long time into the late 1970s, this would not surprise me.
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Old 21 May 2004, 16:34 (Ref:977885)   #215
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Lola 292 DFV car
I first started reading the 280 thread when it was at page 10
since then ive been busy i now return and see you guys have been busy through to page 15 !!
Lauri @ Lola Heritage has told me that only 5 280 cars were ever built & ive been flicking though 72& 73 autosports and i found walter lehman orders 290 with dfv fitting kit to install dfv later in jan feb 73 issues lehman has wanted ad for dfv
i try to attach AS article but its not working (can someone advise how to do this)
FYI Toby bean has 280 type lola with DFV in usa is this another car or Skidmore car?
i saw it race at Elkhart lake last redman event 2003

re Blaton cars do i infer from earlier comments that 1 is real and 1 a "replica" :P
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Old 21 May 2004, 16:49 (Ref:977906)   #216
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Hi driftwood, welcome to this thread!!

Toby Bean's car is different to Bert Skidmore's but is still a T286. Michael may have tried to seek something on this, we shall see.

The piece about Lehmann is interesting, as he entered a "T282"-DFV at Hockenheim in 1973. So it may have been a T292...
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Old 21 May 2004, 17:18 (Ref:977933)   #217
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thanks for the welcome
i have taken a while to get back onto this tread
what i would like to know is what do u JJ and Michael O do for a living are u researchers?
u cant be mechanics from the era and u cant have that good a memory !!

so TB car is different to berts car?
what does that make it?
TB also has lola 290 series 2 litre racer in barcleys colours
the thundersport wallis otford group car is in usa for sale
if someone can tell me how to add in jpegs i can add in the AS snippet
Lola heritage also confirmed in earlier notes that 292 dfv was built
ive also been told of a lola 280 in italy that was nearly bought by a long standing "trader" i will interrogate him further as he was poised to send ££ but at the last minute stepped away from the purchase for another car
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Old 21 May 2004, 17:31 (Ref:977947)   #218
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I'm just a enthusiast since about 1968, I'm actually unemployed after a head injury at work 3 years ago, so I'm trying to find something part-time. I've got no connection with racing, just that I've kept a lot of records since the late 60s...

The Wallis car has been for sale for a while. There is a Barclays T292 raced by Larry Connor in the US. Is that bean's car?

Not sure about Bean's car. I think somewhere in the last 15 pages, Michael and I discussed it, but it's present livery (well it's 2003 livery) doesn't match anything I know from period.


Jpgs: Next to "Quck reply" there's a "click here for full topic reply features". You can attach files there ( file size is limited)
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Old 21 May 2004, 18:03 (Ref:977975)   #219
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...I think somewhere in the last 15 pages, Michael and I discussed it...
Hi chaps

This page is getting quite hard to follow now, especially for newcomers to the discussion. I would be very happy to put a page of car-by-car histories on OldRacingCars.com if you'd like me to. My can then modify that as we learn more and point newcomers to it as their start point.

Would that be useful?

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Old 21 May 2004, 18:12 (Ref:977987)   #220
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Sounds good to me, Allen, thanks a lot
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Old 24 May 2004, 21:29 (Ref:981870)   #221
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Wow - this is hard work!!

I'm half-way down page 13 at the moment, so nearly there, but I can't follow the logic that says HU1 went to Rouveyran for 1973. Reading the facts as you've all laid them out, it looks more as if the ex-BIP HU4 went to Rouveyran and that Casoni had the ex-Bonnier HU1. Which makes the later "ex-Casoni" Lord-Mallock car HU1 and means Auger's HU4 was a different car. Or have I missed something.

Don't attempt to answer this question know. It should be much easier to follow what I'm talking about when I've done my page. I just wanted you to know that it is indeed on its way.

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Old 25 May 2004, 22:10 (Ref:983123)   #222
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Hi Allen

It's pretty simple really. HU1 is identifiable because the diagonal brace on the roll-hoop which starts behind the driver and goes up to meet the other diagonal brace behind the driver' left shoulder meets that brace a bit below the main roll-hoop, whereas on all subsequent cars it meets both to make a neat join in a triangle shape. You need to get hold of a pic of Rouveyran's car at Le Mans 72 (Alain can send you one if you need it) and compare it with shots of the prototype when it ran in testing, then at other times (including Le Mans) when you can see the same feature.

It really is easy to see when you have photos in front of you but harder to explain. It was also one of only two cars to have the distinctive cut-outs in the front bodywork for the extra lights, which was a 'Le Mans 72 only' mod and was not, to my knowledge, carried out on any other cars, although I accept that noses could have been interchangeable etc, etc. Possible, but in view of the roll-hoop feature, unlikely. IIRC this feature is also visible on the photo I have (not on my home PC, unfortunately!) of the car when owned by Ulf Broman.

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Old 25 May 2004, 22:16 (Ref:983132)   #223
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Lola 292 DFV car
I first started reading the 280 thread when it was at page 10
since then ive been busy i now return and see you guys have been busy through to page 15 !!
Lauri @ Lola Heritage has told me that only 5 280 cars were ever built & ive been flicking though 72& 73 autosports and i found walter lehman orders 290 with dfv fitting kit to install dfv later in jan feb 73 issues lehman has wanted ad for dfv
i try to attach AS article but its not working (can someone advise how to do this)
FYI Toby bean has 280 type lola with DFV in usa is this another car or Skidmore car?
i saw it race at Elkhart lake last redman event 2003

re Blaton cars do i infer from earlier comments that 1 is real and 1 a "replica" :P
Excellent info Driftwood - both JJ and I must have missed that! Do you have a photo you could post or PM to me of the Bean car? I have seen a pic of a red car which is supposed to be HU1 but am not sure if this is Bean's car or not...

Re Blaton's cars, it is difficult to say if you know what I mean...

If you have trouble posting images, perhaps you could email them to someone (not me, sorry!) who could put them up on a web-page, maybe Jeremy?

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Old 25 May 2004, 22:35 (Ref:983150)   #224
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Michael,

I thought we'd discussed Bean's car briefly... it'a white liveried T286, with Marilena sponsorship. I have a pic of it from last year (Can't remember where this came from, but the original is large - 1536x1024). If you want me to send a full size version, let me know.
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Old 25 May 2004, 23:04 (Ref:983173)   #225
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The Marilena sponsored car was from Marco Capoferri team.
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