BTCC BTCC 2021 - Page 149

S griffin · 2 Jul 2021, 12:50 (Ref:4059348)

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Originally Posted by thetool

You could make a list long enough to break this forum's software of drivers who either didn't get a chance at all or not a decent chance in the BTCC.

Just some names that spring to mind: Paul Rivett, Stefan Hodgetts, Gavin Pyper, Shaun Watson-Smith, Tommy Erdos, Simon Harrison, Toni Ruokonen and Alan Morrison.

All had very decent pedigree, many of them won in the Production class in the early 2000s, but never got a good chance in the main series.

I wouldn’t include Morrison as he got a win in the series and not like Harrison, who got a few wins outright due to the handicap system in 2001.

I definitely agree with Erdos and Watson-Smith, they did enough to warrant a second season that they never got. As did Jonathan Adam.

thetool · 2 Jul 2021, 14:24 (Ref:4059366)

I think people underestimate just how good Morrison was. Just 25 points off team-mate Neal in his second season in the championship proper, and his first season alongside Andy Priaulx who would go onto be multiple World Champion, he was more competitive than the final standings show, after suffering the majority of Honda's mechanical woes that year.

Evantra · 2 Jul 2021, 16:38 (Ref:4059381)

Looks the like hybrid Corolla (and regular Corolla) will be doing runs up the Goodwood hill climb next week.

BTCC frog · 2 Jul 2021, 16:47 (Ref:4059383)

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Originally Posted by thetool

I think people underestimate just how good Morrison was. Just 25 points off team-mate Neal in his second season in the championship proper, and his first season alongside Andy Priaulx who would go onto be multiple World Champion, he was more competitive than the final standings show, after suffering the majority of Honda's mechanical woes that year.

Yes, Alan Morrison was a great driver who would have had a very successful career had he remained in the BTCC. I would even say that he was possibly the best ever race starter in the BTCC (considering he drove a FWD car, not a RWD car like Winkelhock, Collard and most other great starters).

S griffin · 2 Jul 2021, 17:09 (Ref:4059384)

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Originally Posted by BTCC frog

Yes, Alan Morrison was a great driver who would have had a very successful career had he remained in the BTCC. I would even say that he was possibly the best ever race starter in the BTCC (considering he drove a FWD car, not a RWD car like Winkelhock, Collard and most other great starters).

So much so he got away before everyone else at Thruxton one year

porsche962fan · 2 Jul 2021, 17:37 (Ref:4059392)

anyone have the feeling that this could be Tingram's long overdue title year ?

S griffin · 2 Jul 2021, 21:08 (Ref:4059420)

Would be a nice story if Tingram did it

aland · 2 Jul 2021, 21:28 (Ref:4059423)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

I definitely agree with Erdos and Watson-Smith, they did enough to warrant a second season that they never got. As did Jonathan Adam.

jonny did far better career wise out of btcc, a paid drive with aston martin, no having to find budget every year just go and drive what and where your gaffer tells you. tidy salary with expenses and a few trophies along the way. Not a ad life for a builder's son from kirkaldy

BTCC frog · 6 Jul 2021, 07:35 (Ref:4060062)

Apparently James Gornall will be in the Geddie Cupra at the tyre test, although not necessarily at the Oulton Park race meeting. But maybe Bushell isn’t a certainty for that drive.

AnnoyedMoose · 6 Jul 2021, 07:49 (Ref:4060065)

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Originally Posted by BTCC frog

Apparently James Gornall will be in the Geddie Cupra at the tyre test, although not necessarily at the Oulton Park race meeting. But maybe Bushell isn’t a certainty for that drive.

Bushell was in a hospital a couple of days ago with severe arc eye after his welding helmet failed so perhaps he's not capable of driving.

Evantra · 6 Jul 2021, 08:17 (Ref:4060070)

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Originally Posted by AnnoyedMoose

Bushell was in a hospital a couple of days ago with severe arc eye after his welding helmet failed so perhaps he's not capable of driving.

What do the touring car gods have against him!

Regardless Gornall is another driver who deserves a proper shot in the BTCC.

S griffin · 6 Jul 2021, 11:58 (Ref:4060096)

Bushell really can't catch a break can he?

Would be nice to see Gornall get another try, he certainly did alright last year before he had to pull out

AnnoyedMoose · 6 Jul 2021, 12:34 (Ref:4060119)

The hybrid test car is showing on the live timing this afternoon. From memory that's the first time it's run with live timing so could be interesting.

billy bleach · 6 Jul 2021, 15:02 (Ref:4060165)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

Bushell really can't catch a break can he?

Would be nice to see Gornall get another try, he certainly did alright last year before he had to pull out

Did alright? In the Audi? Was pretty average , nearly always behind his team mate and rammed another car under the safety car at Knockhill!!! Way off Goffs today....

Craner Curves · 6 Jul 2021, 15:49 (Ref:4060176)

Strangely, the news story about Gornall driving doesn't mention Bushell at all. https://www.team-hard.com/james-gorn...est-programme/

AnnoyedMoose · 6 Jul 2021, 16:28 (Ref:4060184)

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Originally Posted by Craner Curves

Strangely, the news story about Gornall driving doesn't mention Bushell at all. https://www.team-hard.com/james-gorn...est-programme/

They haven't mentioned Bushell at all as far as I know it's purely from Bushells side AFAIK. Until/if he comes up with the money I doubt they will want to mention him in press releases.

S griffin · 6 Jul 2021, 17:05 (Ref:4060191)

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Originally Posted by billy bleach

Did alright? In the Audi? Was pretty average , nearly always behind his team mate and rammed another car under the safety car at Knockhill!!! Way off Goffs today....

He wasn’t that far off, he actually got the occasional result, even got in the top ten once

Evantra · 6 Jul 2021, 17:25 (Ref:4060194)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

He wasn’t that far off, he actually got the occasional result, even got in the top ten once

Especially given that the Audi was one of the weakest cars on the grid. Doubt he's raced much (or anything) since the BTCC as well so he's not going to be matching Goff today.

billy bleach · 6 Jul 2021, 17:32 (Ref:4060196)

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Originally Posted by Evantra

Especially given that the Audi was one of the weakest cars on the grid. Doubt he's raced much (or anything) since the BTCC as well so he's not going to be matching Goff today.

Not so bad in Hills hands - I don’t think he out qualified his team mate once last year. By any measure bearing mind his experience it was pretty average

crmalcolm · 6 Jul 2021, 20:07 (Ref:4060211)

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Originally Posted by billy bleach

Not so bad in Hills hands - I don’t think he out qualified his team mate once last year. By any measure bearing mind his experience it was pretty average

Jake Hill drover the Audi in 2019, Gornall was 2020 so not a direct comparison.

Comparing Gornall with his teammate in 2020, when they both finished, the results were 6-3 in favour of Thompson, with Gornall's best finish being a 7th compared to Thompson's 10th.
Gornall also out-qualified his teammate in 2 of 5 meetings.

I would say S Griffin's assessment of 'did alright last year' was fairly accurate when you compare with like for like.

Craner Curves · 6 Jul 2021, 20:44 (Ref:4060214)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Jake Hill drover the Audi in 2019, Gornall was 2020 so not a direct comparison.

Comparing Gornall with his teammate in 2020, when they both finished, the results were 6-3 in favour of Thompson, with Gornall's best finish being a 7th compared to Thompson's 10th.
Gornall also out-qualified his teammate in 2 of 5 meetings.

I would say S Griffin's assessment of 'did alright last year' was fairly accurate when you compare with like for like.

But you have to remember, the forum standard is much higher. He should have been dominating every race. ?

ScottS · 7 Jul 2021, 16:36 (Ref:4060304)

https://www.tsl-timing.com/event/212741

Testing event results from yesterday and today. A bit surprised by the hybrid cars pace. Granted it's carrying extra weight from batteries, electric motor and the gubbins that go with it. But I thought it would be lapping faster than today's BTCC cars.

billy bleach · 7 Jul 2021, 16:47 (Ref:4060306)

Gornall finished top 10 - anyone know where I can buy a Humble Pie?

thetool · 7 Jul 2021, 18:55 (Ref:4060329)

Another wet test where a lot of drivers did minimal running in the wet conditions. I get why, as the risks of costly damage go up considerably, but i'm sure we'll hear the same drivers bemoan their lack of wet data/setup next time it rains on a race weekend.

**BertMk2** · 8 Jul 2021, 09:42 (Ref:4060382)

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Originally Posted by thetool

Another wet test where a lot of drivers did minimal running in the wet conditions. I get why, as the risks of costly damage go up considerably, but i'm sure we'll hear the same drivers bemoan their lack of wet data/setup next time it rains on a race weekend.

It was a tyre test rather than a general test - I don't know if that had any influence on the running? If they were there to test new slick compounds then there was no point running in the wet.

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