Reasons why Red Bull are so fast.... - Page 4

Mr V · 9 Apr 2011, 16:24 (Ref:2860918)

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Originally Posted by stripedcat

Yeah, you hit the nail on the head. McLaren just copy the wing!!! Still having said that, the McLaren despite their poor performance in testing, is still a fast car.

Maybe if they copied Red Bull's front wing they'd be even faster?

E.B · 9 Apr 2011, 18:46 (Ref:2860970)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

Maybe if they copied Red Bull's front wing they'd be even faster?

Surely they would just have to ask Horner for a complete set of the latest version......

....after all, Red Bull supposedly gives you wings.

Marbot · 9 Apr 2011, 18:51 (Ref:2860972)

Ferrari are definitely going to give it a go. They have to do something.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90581

JeremySmith · 9 Apr 2011, 18:52 (Ref:2860973)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

Its a fine line between doing something clever and doing something illegal. As I mentioned in a previous thread, when Ferrari tried this front flexing wing thing back in 2006, the FIA stamped it out within a couple of races, they were told it had to be changed and it was.

This is the issue right here as far as I can see..

It's clever I suppose to design something that makes it through the tests that the FIA perform, it is indeed another thing to not play within the spirit of the rules..

I would go out on a limb and say they are cheating..

Andy77 · 9 Apr 2011, 19:07 (Ref:2860976)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

This is the issue right here as far as I can see..

It's clever I suppose to design something that makes it through the tests that the FIA perform, it is indeed another thing to not play within the spirit of the rules..

I would go out on a limb and say they are cheating..

Would only prove that RB learnt well from Ron Dennis & Co

Marbot · 9 Apr 2011, 19:07 (Ref:2860978)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

I would go out on a limb and say they are cheating..

Ah! Congratulations! You're the first one to jump on the "it's not within the spirit of the rules" bandwagon.

JamesH: What he said. The wing passes, ergo wing is legal. I await with baited breath the phrase 'within the spirit of the regulations'.

Well, if they are cheating, then all the other teams are cheating too. All front wings (and rear wings etc) flex to some degree. Which breaks regulation 3.15 (but maybe not 3.17), the regulation that basically says that aero has to be rigid. Maybe some are just cheating more than others.

What's needed is a more stringent test or the other teams to get with the programme.

JeremySmith · 9 Apr 2011, 19:11 (Ref:2860980)

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Originally Posted by Andy77

Would only prove that RB learnt well from Ron Dennis & Co

They all do it to some degree..

JeremySmith · 9 Apr 2011, 19:14 (Ref:2860981)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

Ah! Congratulations! You're the first one to jump on the "it's not within the spirit of the rules" bandwagon.

JamesH: What he said. The wing passes, ergo wing is legal. I await with baited breath the phrase 'within the spirit of the regulations'.

Well, if they are cheating, then all the other teams are cheating too. All front wings (and rear wings etc) flex to some degree. Which breaks regulation 3.15 (but maybe not 3.17), the regulation that basically says that aero has to be rigid. Maybe some are just cheating more than others.

What's needed is a more stringent test or the other teams to get with the programme.

Yes okay Scott..

However when Ferrari were found guilty of not playing the game, they were whacked for it within a short period of time..

Marbot · 9 Apr 2011, 19:35 (Ref:2860989)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

However when Ferrari were found guilty of not playing the game, they were whacked for it within a short period of time..

But Ferrari were then clearly breaking rule 3.15. There was no wing flex test then (no rule 3.17, which was no doubt brought in because of Ferrari's front wing), so visual evidence was all that was needed.

The FIA probably got fed up of watching boring videos of moving carbon fibre and so, instead, decided to implement some tests.

stripedcat · 10 Apr 2011, 17:22 (Ref:2861458)

Red Bull don't even need KERS at the moment to be fast. That is how fast they are!

Oran Park Forever · 10 Apr 2011, 23:35 (Ref:2861611)

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Originally Posted by stripedcat

Red Bull don't even need KERS at the moment to be fast. That is how fast they are!

They are?...........or "he is"!

Car 1: Pole to victory (2 stops) - Pole to victory (3 stops)
Car 2: 3rd to 5th (3 stops) - 3rd to 4th (4 stops)

Yes the RB is fast, but it's not just the car!

now just wait for the MWEC (Mark Webber Excuses Collective)...........

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JamesH · 11 Apr 2011, 10:11 (Ref:2861779)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

It's clever I suppose to design something that makes it through the tests that the FIA perform, it is indeed another thing to not play within the spirit of the rules..

And the difference is????

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

I would go out on a limb and say they are cheating..

Not if the car adheres to the rules. Which it does. If it doesn't, can you name the rule(s) that they are breaking? No? Neither can anyone else - including all the other teams that RB keep beating - and if they could find a broken rule, don't you think they would mention it? Loudly, from the treetops?

Marbot · 11 Apr 2011, 10:27 (Ref:2861784)

Text message: "Bike ride tomorrow, meet at pub".

Two of you turn up on mountain bikes, the other on a BMW R100GS.

JamesH · 11 Apr 2011, 10:30 (Ref:2861787)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

Text message: "Bike ride tomorrow, meet at pub".

Two of you turn up on mountain bikes, the other on a BMW R100GS.

But BMW driver won't be able to drink.....

JamesH · 11 Apr 2011, 10:31 (Ref:2861788)

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"Brawn said that there was no question about Red Bull Racing's legality, and that the only options going forward were for either even more stringent FIA tests to tighten up that area of car design, or for rival outfits to copy it.
"It is an interesting point at the moment," he said. "You have to pass an FIA test and, if you pass an FIA test, then that is a measure. That is the only measure there is."

And I think he probably knows better than all of us.

Marbot · 11 Apr 2011, 10:34 (Ref:2861791)

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Originally Posted by JamesH

But BMW driver won't be able to drink.....

Point being that the message was open to interpretation.

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