Webber getting big headed? - Page 2

shiny side up! · 3 Mar 2004, 14:51 (Ref:892427)

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Originally posted by santori
A lot of it seems to be Windsor-inspired and, as with most Windsor inspired things, based on very little.

I have often felt the same way about Mr. Windsor, glad I'm not the only one!

Not meant to be a slagging of Mr. Webber, by the way...

Splatz the Cow · 3 Mar 2004, 16:42 (Ref:892509)

Webber's team mates at AMG Mercedes-Benz.

Bernd Schneider
Klaus Ludwig
Riccardo Zonta
Christophe Bouche
Jean-Marc Gounon
Marcel Thiemann
Peter Dumbrek
Nick Heidfeld
Pedro Lamy
Frank Lagorce

grumpy1 · 3 Mar 2004, 19:44 (Ref:892711)

Muzza you miss my point.I refered to Zonta entering F1 with BAR(I think thats right so don't shoot me if its not please)before Mark was picked up because he had a larger sponsership package behind him then Mark.Mark got there more on merit and ability then with the help of sponsers.If Falvio hadn't convinced P.Stoddart to sign him to drive his F3000 car he would not have made it.I was not haveing a go at Zonta but mearly comparing the way both entered F1.Zonta had it hard when at BAR as his team mate gave no assistance to him from what I can gather.

The Grumpy1

**Adam43** · 3 Mar 2004, 20:01 (Ref:892729)

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Originally posted by Splatz the Cow
Webber's team mates at AMG Mercedes-Benz.

...Riccardo Zonta...

http://www.autosport.com/featuresask...=26154&s=5&l=3
An interesting article on that.

graves · 3 Mar 2004, 20:11 (Ref:892747)

Quote:

Originally posted by shiny side up!
I have often felt the same way about Mr. Windsor, glad I'm not the only one!

Not meant to be a slagging of Mr. Webber, by the way...

Agree absolutely, If Windsor likes a driver, do we get to know. If we doesn't like a driver, BOY do we get to know! Loves DC, hated Irvine. Some of his writing was downright atrocious. The word unimpartial springs to mind.

Fondmetal · 3 Mar 2004, 20:34 (Ref:892782)

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Originally posted by deeks6
2005 World Championship

1st Mark Webber (Australia) Williams BMW

End of transmission...

p.s. Muzza - nice signature, mate - Love the Mario

lol funny how ppl are jumping to his defence are australians?

what ever, time will tell, that if button dont end up at william and blow webber away!

Muzza · 3 Mar 2004, 20:36 (Ref:892784)

Quote:

Originally posted by grumpy1
Muzza you miss my point.I refered to Zonta entering F1 with BAR(I think thats right so don't shoot me if its not please)before Mark was picked up because he had a larger sponsership package behind him then Mark.Mark got there more on merit and ability then with the help of sponsers.If Falvio hadn't convinced P.Stoddart to sign him to drive his F3000 car he would not have made it.I was not haveing a go at Zonta but mearly comparing the way both entered F1.Zonta had it hard when at BAR as his team mate gave no assistance to him from what I can gather.

The Grumpy1

Understood, Grumpy1 - and I also believe that Zonta will not (in the remote hypothesis he ever returns) be as successful as Webber in Formula 1.

We seem to disagree about what took Zonta to Formula 1: I followed his career closely since his Formula 3 days, and I never knew of any big budget behind him. He raced in top teams (SuperNova, Mercedes AMG), undoubtedly, but I am unaware of Zonta bringing lots of money in. That's where we diverge.

Cheers,

Muzza

Knowlesy · 3 Mar 2004, 20:37 (Ref:892786)

I'm sure he brought a good sponsor with him, but not bundles and bundles of cash. Wouldn't swear by that, though.

fordo · 3 Mar 2004, 21:50 (Ref:892871)

Isn't that the last MBenz line up?
Was not Shuee one of the original MB drivers(I apologize if I am wrong)in one of the horrible looking silver blocks back when the Jag xr9s ? were running?
When did Webber first race for Mercedes Benz?
And is it not shuee who has a high opinion of Webber as someone to watch if he gets a good car.

Wrighty05 · 3 Mar 2004, 22:11 (Ref:892891)

[QUOTE
what ever, time will tell, that if button dont end up at william and blow webber away! [/B][/QUOTE]

Well, Button has already been blown away by one teammate, I'm sure Webber wouldn't mind doing that to him too.

I think Webber is good, maybe not a freak in terms of car control like a Montoya, but he makes up for it in other areas.

grumpy1 · 3 Mar 2004, 22:53 (Ref:892932)

Yes I knew Webber and Zonta were in the same team.One must remember that they were in different cars.Zonta beat Webber in the championship by 1 point I think that year.This was the same year Webber tried to teach the thing to fly on the Mulsan straight.The thing that impressed the most was he got into the spare the next day and went faster until he flipped it again.

The Grumpy1

Muzza · 3 Mar 2004, 23:55 (Ref:892987)

Hello, Grumpy1,

Your friend Muzza again...

Quote:

Originally posted by grumpy1
Yes I knew Webber and Zonta were in the same team.One must remember that they were in different cars.Zonta beat Webber in the championship by 1 point I think that year.

- Webber and Zonta were in the same team in 1998;
- Zonta paired with Klaus Ludwig, and Webber with Bernd Schneider;
- Zonta and Ludwig won the title with 77 points. Schneider and Webber finished after them (second ranked, technically third place) with 69 points;

Quote:

Originally posted by grumpy1

This was the same year Webber tried to teach the thing to fly on the Mulsan straight.The thing that impressed the most was he got into the spare the next day and went faster until he flipped it again.

Actually that was Le Mans 1999 - so not the same year, as in 99 Zonta made his first Formula 1 season with BAR.

I was as impressed as you when Webber went faster after his first blowover...

I know a guy that was marshalling that race and a colleague of his was amongst the first to reach Webber after the second flip. Webber left the car shouting "there is no f****** way I will ever drive a Mercedes again in my f****** life!"

Quite comprehensibly, I would say...

Cheers,

Muzza

GTV27 · 4 Mar 2004, 00:28 (Ref:893020)

Quote:

Originally posted by Muzza
I know a guy that was marshalling that race and a colleague of his was amongst the first to reach Webber after the second flip. Webber left the car shouting "there is no f****** way I will ever drive a Mercedes again in my f****** life!"

well, surely he can't be criticised for that...(or aren't I allowed to have an opinion on this due to my nationality?)

Wrex · 4 Mar 2004, 00:36 (Ref:893024)

This thread and the JPM bashing thread are becoming very tedious, if the quality of posts dont improve, the topics will be closed (again, a general comment, not directed at any one poster).

Muzza · 4 Mar 2004, 00:54 (Ref:893034)

OK, I guess I will go back to CART forum. Things like these demotivate me to participate more often in the Formula 1 forum.

TSR · 4 Mar 2004, 01:42 (Ref:893061)

Quote:

Originally posted by Fondmetal
lol funny how ppl are jumping to his defence are australians?

what ever, time will tell, that if button dont end up at william and blow webber away!

Webber has teamed with Button and was quite fast remember Renualt Mark was the tester and faster

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