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Old 9 Dec 2018, 17:10 (Ref:3868971)   #436
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the Onroak is still being produced overseas.
The shortened diffusers really are rather small compared to the original. The original diffuser would have performed rather well with the larger rear wing of the S5000 creating a low pressure zone to suck more air out from under the car.

Still seems odd to give up performance on purpose, they just would have need a larger front wing to keep it balanced.



I would have added a gurney/wicker to the original Onroak diffusers too, to further enhance their effectiveness.

Indycar uses such a layout with gurneys on the diffuser:

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Old 10 Dec 2018, 12:31 (Ref:3869160)   #437
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Maybe the idea is to have cleaner airflow and less reliance on wings so these things can actually race?
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Old 10 Dec 2018, 20:14 (Ref:3869281)   #438
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Maybe the idea is to have cleaner airflow and less reliance on wings so these things can actually race?
Yeah, don't know how many times it needs to be spelled out to people in here that the aero decisions were intentional and chosen to a) keep costs down by utilising an off the shelf front wing and to reduce reliance in aero on an attempt to create cars that don't hold as well to the ground for closer and more exciting racing with cars moving around a lot and needing to be manhandled more.
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Old 10 Dec 2018, 22:02 (Ref:3869310)   #439
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Maybe the idea is to have cleaner airflow and less reliance on wings so these things can actually race?
Indycars can race just fine! I think they are at a good level of aero for racing on lower-grade road circuits, and would be excellent role model. Indycar generate most of their downforce from the underbody, which works well and allows for good racing and good performance.
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Old 10 Dec 2018, 22:51 (Ref:3869315)   #440
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It's been changed before, and then changed back because people didn't like that either...

12 hours is a truly international race so should be with the sportscars as it does. F5000 is an Australian specific series, so does it go in international single seaters or Australian racing? My feeling is it will get talked about here as part of the Supercar package and not in single seaters where no-one else is really very interested.

Bear in mind that British racing is a much bigger thing than Aus and doesn't have it's own section, so you have to accept that this forum deals with a particularly parochial branch of the sport. So I too am content for it to remain here without a forum name change, even though it's not on the face of it entirely logical.

You see, you think we don't think about these things, but we do!
So using that approach - the Aus GT thread comes back in the Australian forum does it?

Also is S5000 part of the Supercar package or is it alone of the Shannon's bill?
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Indycars can race just fine! I think they are at a good level of aero for racing on lower-grade road circuits, and would be excellent role model. Indycar generate most of their downforce from the underbody, which works well and allows for good racing and good performance.

And that kind of aero development costs money.
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Old 13 Jan 2019, 12:16 (Ref:3875908)   #443
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Well said, "How many series do we currently want" we are struggling for finance and sponsors now. I know we need feeder series but money seems extremely tight ATM
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I don't think the point of F4 is to support the 5 litre cars. Paul probably needs to think a little more broadly - as shown through a number of his more recent media performances.
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I don't think the point of F4 is to support the 5 litre cars. Paul probably needs to think a little more broadly - as shown through a number of his more recent media performances.
It may not be the point of it, but F4's own PR document sums where the 'alumni' have gone to. Not many have made it down the open wheel path.

(Document is about halfway down on this site: http://www.formula4.com.au/?page_id=4326)
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Old 14 Jan 2019, 11:53 (Ref:3876096)   #446
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I don't think the point of F4 is to support the 5 litre cars. Paul probably needs to think a little more broadly - as shown through a number of his more recent media performances.
He had better go and read up on why F4 was forced on CAMS and a lot of other national sanction organisations by the FIA genius management.

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Old 2 Feb 2019, 21:45 (Ref:3881481)   #447
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It appears that 15 or so cars have been given the green light for production and they're underway on doing so. Still no real news about customers though so they might be taking a punt which will be interesting to watch unfold. I wonder how much of GRM's own money is going into it.
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Well we'll see if this series is worth it. I wonder if this series will happen at all to be fair. It's nice though to have a big name in Australia funding the series
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Historically open wheelers have always been a flop in Oz, F5000 was the most successful and it only lasted a very short time in retrospect and that was with all the top names apart from a few who raced at the time. Can we expect to see Supercar drivers racing these cars as Goss & Co did back then? I doubt it but live in hope which is probably foolish.
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Historically open wheelers have always been a flop in Oz, F5000 was the most successful and it only lasted a very short time in retrospect and that was with all the top names apart from a few who raced at the time. Can we expect to see Supercar drivers racing these cars as Goss & Co did back then? I doubt it but live in hope which is probably foolish.

Open wheelers (and sports cars) were historically where the big names raced until the late 60's.
Touring cars were something that the big names (Like Goss Davidson Harvey Jones etc) raced as part of thier sponsorship or motor trade connection. It wasn't until the Armstrong 500 that the production based touring car racing started to become a dominant factor in media coverage.
Even then the Tasman series and F5000 dominated the summer seasons with touring cars looked upon as support racing.
Ancient history perhaps but don't twist history please.
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