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Old 11 Jan 2019, 20:22 (Ref:3875588)   #2866
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There is one driver no-one seems to of mentioned who has a decent amount of backing and wonít be returning with the team he raced for last year - James Cole. His recent comments seem to point to him being back on the grid again this year.

I think the BTC Norlin link is strong with this one
They spent last year sponsored by various rock concerts, he brings money from ticketmaster
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Old 11 Jan 2019, 20:25 (Ref:3875589)   #2867
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Its an act, he isn't really egotistical.

I will try dumb it down to your level.
its the simple wresting heel and babyface arrangement,

for example
Jason portrays a villain or a "bad guy" and acts as an antagonist to your baby faces, Your N**ls who are the heroic protagonist or "good guy" characters.

And it works cause its winds you lot right up a good un,
If that was all true - and it might be I donít know him - why when it was down to him or another bloke did most of the grid wave the ďother blokeĒ through to make sure Plato didnít win the series. ? He has said so himself more than once
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Old 11 Jan 2019, 20:45 (Ref:3875594)   #2868
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got to love the open hatred of Jason on here,

whats the matter jealous ?
In the last three years we've seen that the BTCC doesn't need Plato.

Nowadays his attitude and most of his fans just come across as tiresome. That said he's done a lot for the BTCC and will arguably always be the biggest name associated with the series, but I think most of us would rather see him retire rather than running around at the back - especially when drivers like Goff & Cook are struggling for seats.
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Old 11 Jan 2019, 20:52 (Ref:3875595)   #2869
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Well said. If Plato canít win races in a car capable of winning, itís time that the young lions were looked at
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Old 11 Jan 2019, 21:08 (Ref:3875600)   #2870
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Well said. If Plato canít win races in a car capable of winning, itís time that the young lions were looked at
Agreed, and that's becoming more and more relevant - I know he brings money with him, but does Plato offer teams anything long-term?

It would be hard to argue against the fact that his career is going to be ending soon. He has been beaten by teammates for 3 straight seasons now, in a sequence of finishes that reads 7th, 12th, 27th.

On paper, what does he offer a team that someone like Rob Austin doesn't?
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Old 11 Jan 2019, 21:12 (Ref:3875601)   #2871
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Agreed, and that's becoming more and more relevant - I know he brings money with him, but does Plato offer teams anything long-term?

It would be hard to argue against the fact that his career is going to be ending soon. He has been beaten by teammates for 3 straight seasons now, in a sequence of finishes that reads 7th, 12th, 27th.

On paper, what does he offer a team that someone like Rob Austin doesn't?
Money, exposure and press coverage, without needing to turn to a crowdfunding effort to stay in the game. Also, considerable experience in terms of who to talk to and where to look for the big money, and a list of generous contacts far bigger than most other people have compiled over the years (the Neal family excepted).

So quite a lot, really. Last year Plato generated column inches and miles of forum posts/discussions simply by *not* being up front, and it's continuing this year before anyone knows what his intentions are.

He's had a few crap years and we're still talking about him. That's what Plato brings to any team that might want to take him in.
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Old 11 Jan 2019, 21:14 (Ref:3875602)   #2872
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But itís no use if the car is not being driven to itís maximum
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Old 11 Jan 2019, 21:59 (Ref:3875608)   #2873
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Money, exposure and press coverage, without needing to turn to a crowdfunding effort to stay in the game. Also, considerable experience in terms of who to talk to and where to look for the big money, and a list of generous contacts far bigger than most other people have compiled over the years (the Neal family excepted).

So quite a lot, really. Last year Plato generated column inches and miles of forum posts/discussions simply by *not* being up front, and it's continuing this year before anyone knows what his intentions are.

He's had a few crap years and we're still talking about him. That's what Plato brings to any team that might want to take him in.
I get what you are saying, but how much of that brings something to the 'team', and how much of it is about the man himself?

In all of the column inches and forum chat, did BMR really gain anything?

He may have a great 'network', but again how much of that contributes to anything more than paying for his seat?

If it was a case of needing a driver to fund a seat to keep the TBL, then I can understand it. But the teams that will run a title contender already have enough behind them to stay on the grid.
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Old 12 Jan 2019, 09:04 (Ref:3875662)   #2874
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I get what you are saying, but how much of that brings something to the 'team', and how much of it is about the man himself?

In all of the column inches and forum chat, did BMR really gain anything?

He may have a great 'network', but again how much of that contributes to anything more than paying for his seat?

If it was a case of needing a driver to fund a seat to keep the TBL, then I can understand it. But the teams that will run a title contender already have enough behind them to stay on the grid.
I agree. It's a well known fact that I don't like JP (and I have my reasons), and although he does get lots of column inches and forum mentions I would say that not much of it is actually positive/constructive. I appreciate that there is a well worn phrase that 'no publicity is bad publicity' but if the team I ran was getting all of these comments pointing out that 'my' car, being driven by a so-called super driver (statistics show, multiple champion, almost 100 race wins, and that's without his own publicity machine) is incapable of getting anywhere near the pointy end are far greater than the publicity my 'other' (younger, quieter, less famous) driver who was getting the results, I would not be happy.

I view Plato as being similar to Mansell in that, if he has a good result, it's all down to him. If he has a bad result, its not his fault but someone else's, the car doesn't perform, FWD/RWD (delete where applicable) has too big an advantage, the accident(s) he was involved in were not his fault etc. It's all about him. You win as a team ("Thanks to my team, my sponsors and so on") but you lose as a team too. This is one of the reasons why I think a lot of teams would not want him on-board, irrespective of the money he maybring, but I also think that for the above reasons, that ability may be lessening now too...
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Old 12 Jan 2019, 10:14 (Ref:3875673)   #2875
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Two names I have heard that are looking at BTCC drives as an option, Tom Wrigley & Jamie Caroline.
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Old 12 Jan 2019, 10:21 (Ref:3875674)   #2876
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I agree. It's a well known fact that I don't like JP (and I have my reasons), and although he does get lots of column inches and forum mentions I would say that not much of it is actually positive/constructive. I appreciate that there is a well worn phrase that 'no publicity is bad publicity' but if the team I ran was getting all of these comments pointing out that 'my' car, being driven by a so-called super driver (statistics show, multiple champion, almost 100 race wins, and that's without his own publicity machine) is incapable of getting anywhere near the pointy end are far greater than the publicity my 'other' (younger, quieter, less famous) driver who was getting the results, I would not be happy.

I view Plato as being similar to Mansell in that, if he has a good result, it's all down to him. If he has a bad result, its not his fault but someone else's, the car doesn't perform, FWD/RWD (delete where applicable) has too big an advantage, the accident(s) he was involved in were not his fault etc. It's all about him. You win as a team ("Thanks to my team, my sponsors and so on") but you lose as a team too. This is one of the reasons why I think a lot of teams would not want him on-board, irrespective of the money he maybring, but I also think that for the above reasons, that ability may be lessening now too...
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Well said! In the last three years I think Plato's 'marketing' has done more harm to the Subaru campaign than it did good.

First Year: After 'bringing the deal together', he 'bigs' the car up to be a super mythical unicorn of unbeatable existence so much that when the inevitable teething problems arise, people are hyper critical of the team/car (myself included). Rest of the season his lack of pace is blamed on lack of development etc.

Year Two: He shunts the car at Brands, cue a year-long perma-excuse for his lack of performance that appears to tear apart the team in terms of moral and somewhat sours the fact that Ash drove the balls off the car to take the championship. (Funny how we saw more coverage of Plato's lack of performance than Sutton's success?!)

Year Three: We get the silent treatment. 'Crash-related car issues rectified' he still can't get the thing to go well so bat and ball are taken home and Subaru get hardly any mention again despite Ash peddling well. Perhaps a retaliation to the fact that he's only there to keep the team afloat financially (if rumours were true they'd have had no engines had he not opened his wallet).

All in all not the best experience from Subaru UK's perspective and after the trials and tribulations at MG I doubt he has the credibility to bring another manufacturer to the grid again. Would you want to get involved in the series if the driver you're funding spends half the year slagging off your car?

Whilst he's a great marketing man, he's far too quick to point blame unlike drivers like Ingram, Turkington, Shedden etc who manage to 'look on the bright side' when success doesn't go their way in a race.
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Old 12 Jan 2019, 10:56 (Ref:3875681)   #2877
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I think a press release/unveiling is very iminent from Bart @ Motorbase.

Some interest seat/team changes with teams now leaning towards business sense, taking ££ from a driver rather than raw talent.

Some big names will be without a drive for sure.
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Old 12 Jan 2019, 11:29 (Ref:3875687)   #2878
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Autodptt show nearly over {as of posting, Saturday lunchtime, all reveals done and none expected for Sunday) , BTCC-wise I think it's posed more questions than it answered.

Great to see Clio's replaced by Mini Challenge. AMD Civic and Trade Price S3 both look mega. Everything else on show seems a bit underwhelming. I guess a lot of late deals being worked on.
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Old 12 Jan 2019, 11:31 (Ref:3875688)   #2879
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I think a press release/unveiling is very iminent from Bart @ Motorbase.

Some interest seat/team changes with teams now leaning towards business sense, taking ££ from a driver rather than raw talent.

Some big names will be without a drive for sure.
Hamilton will be revealed away from Autosport as his unveiling will be a headline act (not that I agree with him having a drive)

Your right tho, I see a few big names missing in 2019 such as Austin, Goff, Jackson, Collard (maybe on medical) .. I wonder how many of these may end up in Maximum Motorsports series
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Old 12 Jan 2019, 12:18 (Ref:3875695)   #2880
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As things stand it looks highly unlikely that Goff will get a drive, which is a shame as he's a proven race winner.

Nic Hamilton at Motorbase is a done deal, been signed for a while, just not announced yet. Obviously, it won't be a Shredded Wheat-Sponsored car.

Mat Jackson will be alongside Smiley at BTC Norlin.

Almost every team would love Plato to be driving for them. The publicity and PR he brings would be immense. He's the biggest name and biggest draw in the BTCC by a country mile. As someone has already alluded to, which other driver would bring a vast amount of publicity for struggling towards the back of the grid? Get him back up the sharp end and the sky is the limit. That said, he's a shrewd operator and will only be on the grid this season if the right deal is there. By far the most likely destination would be at Power Maxed Racing, but we'll see. It would be a crying shame not to see him on the grid, but it's 50/50 st the moment.
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