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Old 24 Aug 2018, 14:29 (Ref:3845782)   #1
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Stars in 1989 F1 Cars

This is meant to be a bit of fun, so apologies if it offends anyone as trivial or it's in the wrong forum (it's a bit of a half way house). I've been messing around with some old Microprose Grand Prix games this week and an idea popped up. What if yesteryear's F1 met today's driver market.

So it's 1989. The start of a new F1 season following McLaren's domination. Williams are looking to bounce back with Renault engines. Barnard at Ferrari.

Who gets signed by who, and with nearly 40 drives available who outside present F1 comes in from the cold?

Hamilton in Red 5?

Alonso in a winning McLaren-Honda?

It's noticeable that drivers get into F1 a lot younger now than 30 years ago, so would the likes of Verstappen and Leclerc even be considered by the likes of Ron Dennis and Ken Tyrrell?
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Old 24 Aug 2018, 15:01 (Ref:3845784)   #2
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I "think" I understand what you are asking. It is 1989 and the current drivers have been magically transported back to that time period? Are drivers of that era gone? Do the current drivers have any type of history (i.e. records of wins, etc.)? You specifically ask if anyone would support Verstappen or Leclerc. Given they are driving today (and Verstappen is rated by a large number) and are somewhat of a known quantity (maybe less so for Leclerc) I am not sure I understand the question. Are you expecting team principles to push younger, but established drivers out of the series just because they are younger than what might have been typical in "real" 1989?

Now, if you were to rewind the clock to before Verstappen and Leclerc joined, give them some type of history in junior series and then ask if this was 1989 would they get a shot at F1, that is maybe a better question?

Overall... This is such of an alternative history thought experiment that it's hard to quantify the possibilities not to mention expect many to agree on what might have happened.

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Old 24 Aug 2018, 15:46 (Ref:3845790)   #3
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yes, welcome to the forum!

i also do enjoy these sorts of 'sliding door' sorts of questions.

i guess my first question would be are any of the current drivers brave enough to dive anything built pre 2000? endurance may have been a real problem for the younger drivers.

Hamilton VS Alonso in that Mclaren would have been as explosive as Senna VS Prost...possibly even more so if thats possible.

but when did Falvio take over Benetton though? if he was in charge in 89, i would suggest that Alonso would have been driving that car.
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Old 24 Aug 2018, 16:09 (Ref:3845798)   #4
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Thanks for the welcome. I've been lurking on and off for quite a while.

Yes, the premise was very much as grasped. Only today's drivers, but in the F1 world of 1989. A bit of a fudge obviously as Prost, Piquet, Senna have all suddenly disappeared and you wouldn't really want current drivers applying knowledge of what was to come (Renault engines and William's dominance) to which drives they pursue.

I picked '89, partly because I love the cars and liveries of that period, but also because of the large grid and due to next season being the 30th anniversary.

Once I had the idea, it got me thinking about which drivers 'best fit' certain teams or if team owners pursue different qualities in their drivers.

Basically it's a bit of a silly season thing taken to the extreme.

" Falvio take over Benetton though? if he was in charge in 89, i would suggest that Alonso would have been driving that car."

Intriguing. Why so?

At the moment, I've got Alonso and Ricciardo pencilled at McLaren, Hamilton at Williams, the present Ferrari pair in situe. Perhaps Lance Stroll buying his way into Lotus (a fading marque) rather than Williams...

Would perhaps any of the current Indycar or Formula E crop be F1 calibre in this alternative 89.
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Old 24 Aug 2018, 16:20 (Ref:3845806)   #5
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You specifically ask if anyone would support Verstappen or Leclerc...

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Picking out those two was probably a mistake to be honest. As you state they're already in F1 now. They've proved their worth.

It was really a case of pondering / noticing that drivers seemed to come into F1 much later in the 70s and 80s.

Would that be down to beastlier cars?
Experience being favoured over pure speed?

Now the cars are even more expensive and yet trusted to younger (in theory less experienced) drivers.
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Old 24 Aug 2018, 16:40 (Ref:3845816)   #6
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" Falvio take over Benetton though? if he was in charge in 89, i would suggest that Alonso would have been driving that car."

Intriguing. Why so?
Flav being Flav he would have negotiated Alonso's contract both as team principle of Benetton and was at one point Alonso's manager. he would have got the driver he highly rated as well as making a commission off of the contract. win win for Flav!

although as Flav isnt in F1 in 2018 i guess he couldnt be teleported back to 1989 which i suppose would be the bigger win for F1 in 1989 and all years thereafter!
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Old 24 Aug 2018, 17:38 (Ref:3845823)   #7
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I'd forgotten the Flavio connection. I'm sold on the idea. So I guess that would mean Lewis at McLaren.
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Imagine if Vettel and Hamilton were in Ferrari together. And we would probably see more GP2 graduates and other junior formula drivers on the grid. And would the likes of say Pic, Haryanto, Nasr, Giovanazzi and Guitierrez still be in F1? Probably, with more seasts available.
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Old 28 Aug 2018, 02:24 (Ref:3846630)   #9
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Welcome to the forum. 1989, my favourite team was Onyx.
The violet and white cars financed by Moneytron.
It seems JP Van Rossem was a true pioneer.
And Johansson did his last ever podium with them.

McLaren today is Lotus in 1989...
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McLaren today is Lotus in 1989...
Agreed. Lotus passed away with Colin....
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Lotus indeed had a terrible 1989
Can't understand what Tickford did there.

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Mansell at Portuguese GP was...
I was a child then. Used to repeat the manoeuvre of the pits
with a supermarket carriage.

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1989 was not that easy to follow in TV. In Argentina, was almost impossible
due to power shortages that hampered Buenos Aires area that time.
Races were seen on Sunday 23 hr and most people had to go to work or school
and then the ratings were very low. If it wasn't for Senna, F1 would have lost the plot
in Fangio's land.

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I think Williams are more like Lotus now
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Reutemann himself was the reason Lotus powers went to Williams in 1980.
Colin was much like real-life Doc Emmett Brown that time, mostly when was suffering highly a relative of him did something that time.

BTW, 1989 was the year Brabham returned to F1 and I was very happy to see Brundle and Modena at Monaco,
very proud of them. I'm a Brabham fan of all by means.

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