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Old 10 Nov 2017, 11:00 (Ref:3779757)   #26
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Old 10 Nov 2017, 11:08 (Ref:3779759)   #27
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Why not Mr Ricciardo’s other vision... a ride at McLaren instead
If McLaren get a wriggle on and produce a RBR-beating car foe next season, might Mr Ricciardo be tempted there?
Wait. C'mon GTR.

Ricciardo to Renault.

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Old 11 Nov 2017, 01:45 (Ref:3779856)   #28
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I say Dan should stay put...put the sword to Max. He has enough of a test there. Needs to know in a straight up fight whether he can match his speed and politically/psychologically in the pits/team over a serious title contest.

I think he won a thrown fight against Seb, who had lost interest, had a poor car and had no reason to fight too hard as triggering the exit clause got him his seat at Fezz
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I say Dan should stay put...put the sword to Max. He has enough of a test there. Needs to know in a straight up fight whether he can match his speed and politically/psychologically in the pits/team over a serious title contest.
Do you truly believe that after the comments by Red Bull hierarchy regarding wanting Max to be world champion in the next two years, that Dan will get a fair go in the next two years if he was to stay? Honestly?
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Old 11 Nov 2017, 02:35 (Ref:3779858)   #30
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out of curiosity, when were they last asked similar questions about ricciardo, or is it that they've only been asked questions to prompt that response about verstappen?
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Do you truly believe that after the comments by Red Bull hierarchy regarding wanting Max to be world champion in the next two years, that Dan will get a fair go in the next two years if he was to stay? Honestly?
Of course he'll get a fair go. RB isn't Ferrari. Just as much as Webber got a fair chance against Seb.
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Of course he'll get a fair go. RB isn't Ferrari. Just as much as Webber got a fair chance against Seb.
But Webber did not get a fair chance aga... ooh, I see what you did there.
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Daniel Ricciardo will destroy Hamilton just like he did with Vettel and Max. all while sipping on some good ol English tea in the cockpit.
He would have a good chance against the off form Hamilton but slim chance against the guy we saw this season!

In terms of outright speed I don't think there's much in it between Danny and Valtteri anyway.
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Not sure what there is for Mercedes to gain in signing Ricciardo. They've just won both titles, and introducing someone else just introduces drama. I'm not sure why they would do it.

The Webber stuff is amusing though. Vettel was winning world titles with a ridiculous points lead, whilst Webber was struggling to fight off other cars. There's a reason that Vettel got preferential treatment - he was the one getting the job done.
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Nothing at all to gain for Mercedes in signing Ricciardo as far as I can see and Daniel will only be jumping from playing second fiddle in one band to the same in another........
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He would have a good chance against the off form Hamilton but slim chance against the guy we saw this season!

In terms of outright speed I don't think there's much in it between Danny and Valtteri anyway.
do you think Hamilton was ''off form'' when he got beaten by Rosberg last year?
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At times, probably yes. I firmly believe that Hamilton fully on form with no car issues would have beaten Rosberg over the season.
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Nothing at all to gain for Mercedes in signing Ricciardo as far as I can see and Daniel will only be jumping from playing second fiddle in one band to the same in another........
They don't while Ferrari only have 1 good driver. But if Ferrari and RB are closer again in 2018 and Merc end up coming third in the constructors because Bottas didn't pull his pants up, that's the reason they'll need to hire a better #2. Also, what if Ricciardo is champ next season with Hamilton second?

But yeah I don't think Ric will be that much faster than Bottas. Then again I didn't think he'd leave Vettel trailing.

It just depends if Merc are a team that want to have 2 great drivers that'll the constructors, but could take points off each other in drivers, or 1 great driver and a #2 that always finishes behind (hello Ferrari). At the moment they seem to prefer the latter option.
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Bottas is closer to Vettel than Vettel is to Hamilton. I don’t really see the problem with Bottas performance. Certainly not enough to warrant replacing.

To be honest, this rumour appears to be out of hope Ricciardo can get a Mercedes seat rather than looking for a replacement for an under performing Mercedes driver. If I were Mercedes I'm not sure I'd be interested in the driver that Red Bull doesn't want.
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Not sure what there is for Mercedes to gain in signing Ricciardo. They've just won both titles, and introducing someone else just introduces drama. I'm not sure why they would do it.

The Webber stuff is amusing though. Vettel was winning world titles with a ridiculous points lead, whilst Webber was struggling to fight off other cars. There's a reason that Vettel got preferential treatment - he was the one getting the job done.
Agree to a point - but Webber was right up there, and leading for a fair chunk of 2010 despite things like Vettel getting new front wings.

A bung strategy in Abu Dhabi and a silly crash in Korea cost him more than preferential treatment, and he outdrove Vettel in 2010.
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Agree to a point - but Webber was right up there, and leading for a fair chunk of 2010 despite things like Vettel getting new front wings.

A bung strategy in Abu Dhabi and a silly crash in Korea cost him more than preferential treatment, and he outdrove Vettel in 2010.
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By what measure?

2010 Season Vettel V Webber

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Outqualification: Vettel 12 to 7
Poles: Vettel 10 Webber 5
Wins: Vettel 5 Webber 4
Championship Points: Vettel 256 Webber 242
Championship Position: Vettel 1 Webber3

Retirements: Vettel 2 car failures 1 collision. Webber 2 collisions (Kovalainen & Rosberg)
Vettel: Australia wheel bearing; Turkey collision Webber (retired); Korea engine failure.
Webber: European GP collision Kovalainen; Korea hit wall then Rosberg.

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Vettel 1: Turkey collision with Webber.
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European GP collision hit Kovalainen; Korea fell off hit wall then Rosberg.

More like Vettel comprehensively beat Webber in 2010.
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that Webber felt it necessary to hide his fractured shoulder from his team makes me think, that at the least, MW believed that RB play favorites.
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For Webber, he needed a tyre he could lean on like the Bridgestones. he was never as comfortable with the Pirellis and couldnt get the most out of them like Vettel could.

Newey in his book details that Webber was very good with Aero feedback (something he points out they have been missing since) while Vettel looked a lot at getting the most out of the tyres and spent a lot of time with the engineers getting on top of that.
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If we're going down the route of using single seasons to prove points (Webber didn't out drive Vettel in 2010, but for the sake of discussion we can say he did), then DC beat Webber in 2007 (and also Hakkinen in 2001), and therefore is much better than both! Of course I'm joking, and these single year comparisons aren't worth a huge amount.

Back to the topic of Mercedes and DR - I'm yet to see a good reason why Mercedes would employ him. He's not a bad driver, but I don't know what it would add to Mercedes. And if the discussion is true that DR is now considered the second best at RBR, what use would Mercedes have for him? They'd be employing someone that someone else has already decided isn't good enough to retain?

I just don't see why Mercedes would go this route. I can see why DR fans want it, but the same argument can be made for anyone on the grid.
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Only one crash for Vettel? Have you forgotten Spa when he lost control and harpooned Button or to an extent Silvertsone by not giving Hamilton enough room at the first corner and puncturing his tyre
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Back to the topic of Mercedes and DR - I'm yet to see a good reason why Mercedes would employ him. He's not a bad driver, but I don't know what it would add to Mercedes. And if the discussion is true that DR is now considered the second best at RBR, what use would Mercedes have for him? They'd be employing someone that someone else has already decided isn't good enough to retain?

I just don't see why Mercedes would go this route. I can see why DR fans want it, but the same argument can be made for anyone on the grid.
i suppose marketability would be a reason.

i actually think DR is a much better and far more aggressive driver (more of a winners instinct if you will) then Bottas...but for arguments sake lets say DR and VB are equal in ability and both seem like good guys so team harmony with LH would remain intact, then surely a global brand like Merc should go with the driver they think will help them sell more cars.

dont like the notion of boiling things down to who has a bigger social media footprint and on its own its not a good reason...but if all other things are equal then surely popularity/branding is a factor to consider.
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i suppose marketability would be a reason.

i actually think DR is a much better and far more aggressive driver (more of a winners instinct if you will) then Bottas...but for arguments sake lets say DR and VB are equal in ability and both seem like good guys so team harmony with LH would remain intact, then surely a global brand like Merc should go with the driver they think will help them sell more cars.

dont like the notion of boiling things down to who has a bigger social media footprint and on its own its not a good reason...but if all other things are equal then surely popularity/branding is a factor to consider.
Marketability is a good point, although Mercedes doesn't seem to care about that. They made that really weird choice to try and make Lewis win the race rather than the title late last year, despite it making them look a bit odd. You're absolutely spot on that DR is more marketable, but that doesn't seem to be a Mercedes thing (ironically it's more of an RBR thing...!). No idea why that would be, tbh.

DR is probably a better driver than Bottas. Certainly more aggressive. But do Mercedes want more drama when they're winning both titles anyway? I'm not so sure. I think they prefer headlines like "Mercedes wins both titles" than "Mercedes drivers feuding". From a cold marketing view, I can see why they'd be happy with Bottas being second best.

DR has another year at RBR, right? So he has time to recover this Verstappen situation and solve it anyway.
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