Brazilian GP Penalties

[broadrun96]

I would not be surprised if a penalty statement was issued to the teams to dissuade others from repeating that action, probably something to the effect of the penalty for such action will be ______. Personally would not be surprised to see the FIA suspend the next driver that does that for the next race, including any future retiring drivers.

Could any FIA penalties carry over to the WEC events for next season? Would be painful for a teammate if it did. Although moving a new prototype to the back of the grid for its first race wouldn't really bad that rough since the chance of making it to the end would be slim.

[chillibowl]

(F)un. (I)snt. (A)llowed!

surely the larger infraction was Webbo giving his helmet to his engineer and then taking it back while in parc ferme and prior to the weigh in.

blind adherence to the rules would have resulted in exclusion but fortunately they made the decision to let everyone enjoy themselves.

the right choice for the last race of an uneventful year and for a well respected driver about to finish his career with a podium.

[321Go]

Originally Posted by rwintle

A black flag for disrespecting the boundaries of the track?

No. As I said, on safety grounds. Which was one of the reasons for the rule. To stop confusion and prevent a possible collision in close proximity racing if one driver thought the leading driver was heading into the pits. It has happened at Interlagos before.

Originally Posted by rwintle

how do you know he thought it was a silly rule blah blah..

Because Massa said so to Smedley on the radio after he was told he had a drive through. "Stupid" to be exact.

Originally Posted by rwintle

Do any of us even know where the stewards were from?

I do. Two of the four stewards at the Brazillian GP were from Brasil.

Thank you, and have a nice day.

[321Go]

Originally Posted by Greem

In itself, that would be pointless. Webber is no longer an F1 driver.

As dangerous as it could have been, I think common sense has (for once!) been applied. It was his last race in F1 - any young hotshot doing it in the middle of a season knows what to expect, and should be sensible enough to understand that their circumstances would be rather different to someone at the tail of their single-seater career.

Agree 100%.

[sizzle]

Bloody hell I know Australia has degeneraated into a nanny state but if the rest of the world thinks that is worth a penalty then I am glad I live here.

[bella]

well, it should be a penalty according to the rules that they were so keen to apply against vettel when he did donuts the first few times. and according to the rules ALL drivers work by, it was indeed a penalty.

it's nothing to do with nanny states. it's the rules. but they applied common sense and didn't give him a penalty because it's his last race and all that. so... there's no problem is there. until someone else does it who isn't in their last race and uses the defence "but webber got away with it...".

[wnut]

Originally Posted by bella

well, it should be a penalty according to the rules that they were so keen to apply against vettel when he did donuts the first few times. and according to the rules ALL drivers work by, it was indeed a penalty.

it's nothing to do with nanny states. it's the rules. but they applied common sense and didn't give him a penalty because it's his last race and all that. so... there's no problem is there. until someone else does it who isn't in their last race and uses the defence "but webber got away with it...".

Hey Bella, I don't think Webber got away with it will wash, when has precedence ever counted for a damn thing in F1 stewarding decisions? Consistency is not exactly a watchword!

I have long been an advocate of written stewards decisions with their reasoning, random drive through penalties are a particular bane of the competition! Still that seems too difficult and too restrictive in the multi-billion dollar sport of F1.

[bella]

i agree that consistency isn't a concept the fia are normally aware of. but when it's something as blatently against the rules as that then it's putting the stewards in an awkward position in the future. i mean, where do you draw the line? if say, hamilton or button won the british gp and took their lid off on the way to parc ferme, is that grounds for exemption from the "don't be stupid, keep your helmet on" rule?

i think it's his choice, he's a grown up but they should have at least warned him or something, just to show that they are aware he broke the rules.

and i agree. there needs to be a lot more transparency and explanation behind decisions.

[SWCRacing]

All Stewards Decisions are written, and along with FIA Communications, Technical Reports and Timekeeping results are available on the FIA website.
Also, the Stewards Biographies are available on the same part of the website a couple of days prior to the event.
The FIA appointed Stewards at Sao Paulo were Venuzuelan, Swiss and British (Blundell)

[VIVA GT]

I thought it was a great gesture for Mark to remove his skid-lid on the slowing down lap, and as others have said, was very remeniscent of a bygone age when drivers did this more often.
The only thing that worried me (as a clumsy bugger myself) is potentially what could happen to anyone running behind him if he'd dropped his helmet out of the car instead of into his lap!

[321Go]

Originally Posted by SWCRacing

The FIA appointed Stewards at Sao Paulo were Venuzuelan, Swiss and British (Blundell)

Sorry, I have to correct you on this. The race stewards present at the 2013 Brazilian GP were - Vincenzo Spano (Italy), Paul Gutjahr (Swiss), Alexandre Ribeiro (Brazil) and Felipe Giaffone (Brazil).

Blundell couldn't make it. He was too busy watching tapes of the '92 season, thinking to himself.. what if ??
And Vincenzo Spano is Italian, not Venezuelan. Born in Italy, of Italian decent, grew up in Venezuela.

Is Nico Rosberg German, or Finnish?
He did race under the Finnish flag in his junior career though.