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Should another manufacturer join v8 supercars?
i hope not thats what i enjoy watching is the holden v ford rivalry plus its an ozzie series I dont want see a jap car join and when you think of v8's in general you think of either a holden or a ford,toyota or mitsubishi dont come to mind.you hear people saying go holden or go ford,go toyota or go mitsubishi dosent sound right.
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This series is built on ancestral loyalty and rivalry to either brand. Resultingly, there is a high risk to adding a 3rd or even a 4th manufacturer as it dilutes the rivalry.
The other risk is who will it be and what are the implications? Toyota just posted another record profit and resultingly could bring an epic budget to a 4 or 6 car squad. Chrysler have been hinted at as having an interest too. Its interesting too to see the way they beef up the safety car and course car. They do make the right noise, and I am sure that they would perform really well as a race car too. The challenge is who do you add to the equation without diluting the strength that you have, and moreover how do you control their budget so they dont do an HRT or FPR and pour mega-bucks into 2 or 4 cars, and also how do you justify their entry when both Ford and Holden have largely spent large sums of money over a long period of time to get the series to where it is today? Its a fairly tough argument |
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I think there should. The whole argument over letting "Japanese" cars in is flawed, as Holden and Ford are American technically...
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Of course other manufacturers should be allowed in.
Chrysler sell RWD V8s, as do BMW, Mercedes and Audi, why shouldn't they be allowed to compete? They arguably are a better fit in V8Supercars than Toyota and Mitsubishi Quote:
Why wouldn't V8s in general include Toyota, Honda, Renault or Ferrari, they run V8s in F1. How would other manufacturers stop you watching Holden vs Ford. The years of racing which built this 'rivalry' had far more cars than just Holden and Ford, and indeed some of the classic battles remembered (Brock vs Moffat at Bathurst in '72 for example) didn't even include a Holden V8. Quote:
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As long as it meant more than 31 cars at bathurst who cares whose there!!
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So how many manufacturers are in V8Supercars?
A different view is the number of chassis constructors... BJR - BJR DJR - DJR FPR - FPR/Britek SBR - SBR 888 - 888/PCR WPS - WPS Acott - Tasman GRM - GRM Perkins - Perkins PMM - PMM/TKR/RNR TWPG - HRT/HSVDT/PWR Duplication abounds... |
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Geeze they are going to be running 4-5 year old cars with unintended engine configuration, a hot-potch mix of original designs and PWR designs etc doesn't sound super encouraging for them?
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They were both prepared to put alot of money into touring car racing in Australia, and were rejected. BMW in 1993 were putting in more than Ford and Holden, even though they weren't wanted and were just there to fill the grid. If how much of a following you have determines whether you race or not, there would be alot of people not racing. And how would my moniker give you the idea that i love rallying? Quote:
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Be interesting if any manufacture would come in and simply buy and existing team or start from the ground up and pick who they want. For example would Chrysler come in and run WPS? - picked them because of the same sponsor. Also who would stay with Holden and Ford and who would go somewhere else?
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Robert, you are usually the first to ask for 'evidence' when statements are made, can i ask the same?
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Maybe V8 Supercars should move on with the times, exactly who is selling the most cars in Australia now (2006). Toyota I believe and have you seen the number of BMWs on the road now, and how many Ford and Holdens are sold with a V8. Surely Australian racing should move with the times. If BMW could race with the V8s here maybe they might have kept making the GTR (5L V8), but that would never been able to race here because it would kick F&H butt.
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"Moving with the times" has not much to do with it. In esscence the series is about "Tribal Loyalities" like a Football game. Other makes have other series they can pariticpate in.
The same mistake of "moving with the times" has been committed by Brian France in NASCAR. He allowed Toyota(the most popular passenger car in the US) to participate in NEXTEL Cup in 2007. Well , it appears he may have made a major error of judgement. The number of comments in the media and by fans about "Japanese Toyota" and World War 11 have been amazing. Toyota could be the manufacturer that could ruin NASCAR. |
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Give them 5yrs to get used to it and they will be part of the scenery...
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the yanks were upset when Dodge came back
and I still notice that Dodge still are often boxed out or forced out even now |
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Like some others have said, you have to be able to add a third manufacturer without reducing the appeal to the majority of fans. I just enjoy motorsport and don't care what brand races (I could never see myself buy a commodore or falcon in my life) or if the vehicle has 2 or 4 wheels but have a look at the majority of the people at the races. They have had a ford or holden tatoo on them since birth (metaphorically of course........... in most cases). They don't religously follow all sorts of motorsport, they just like holden and ford v8s.
I can't see the AVERAGE v8 supercar fan wanting to see anyone other than Ford or Holden. This is the reason there are 2 marques. If the powers that be thought that it would bring more fans rather than alienate people, there would be more marques. I would much rather watch multiple manufactures, but I just don't think that is what will bring people through the gates. |
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