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13 Jan 2004, 01:05 (Ref:836081)
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2004 Drivers / Teams / Sponsors - Rumored and Confirmed
The mess that has been made of the other silly season thread inspired me to start a fresh, focused on and only on 2004 driver / teams, sponsors and car numbers.
If anything on the following list differs from what you know or what you believe to be true, dont just sit there, POST IT! STONE BROTHERS RACING ------------------------------ #1 Marcos Ambrose [Pirtek / Caltex Havoline] #9 Russell Ingall [Pirtek / Caltex Havoline] HOLDEN RACING TEAM ------------------------------ #2 Mark Skaife [Holden / Mobil 1 / HSV] #22 Todd Kelly [Holden / Mobil 1 / HSV] GREG MURPHY RACING ------------------------------ #3 Cameron McLean or Jason Richards or OS Driver [Sime / Fuchs / Braun? / M111?] FORD PERFORMANCE RACING ------------------------------ #6 Craig Lowndes [CAT / FPV] #5 Glenn Seton [Ford Credit / FPV] PERKINS MOTORSPORT ------------------------------ #11 Steven Richards [Castrol] #7 Tony Longhurst [Castrol] #8 Paul Dumbrell [Castrol] #75 Anthony Tratt [Toll Ipec] ORRCON RACING ------------------------------ #20 Jason Bargwanna [Orrcon] #10 Mark Winterbottom [Orrcon] KMART RACING ------------------------------ #51 Greg Murphy [Kmart] #15 Rick Kelly [Kmart] PAUL WEEL RACING ------------------------------ #50 Jason Bright [TBA] #16 Paul Weel [TBA / Dupont] SHELL HELIX RACING ------------------------------ #17 Steven Johnson [Shell Helix] #18 Warren Luff [Shell Helix] TEAM KIWI RACING ------------------------------ #021 Craig Baird [Vodafone?] OZEMAIL RACING TEAM ------------------------------ #888 John Bowe [Ozemail] #21 Brad Jones [Ozemail] TONY NOSKE RACING ------------------------------ #23 Mark Noske [TBA] SIRROMET LIFE STYLE WINE ------------------------------ #29 Paul Morris [Sirromet / BWS] SUPER CHEAP AUTO RACING ------------------------------ #31 Steve Ellery [Super Cheap Auto / Castrol] GARRY ROGERS MOTORSPORT ------------------------------ #34 Garth Tander [Repco / Valvoline / Cummins] #33 Cameron McConville [Repco / Valvoline / Cummins] WPS RACING? ------------------------------ #43? Charlie O’Brien? [WPS?] TEAM DYNAMIK ------------------------------ #44 Simon Wills [TBA] #45 Nicolas Minassian or Jason Richards or Cameron McLean or OS Driver [TBA] TEAM BETTA ELECTRICAL ------------------------------ #65 Paul Radisich [Betta Electrical] #66 Max Wilson [Betta Electrical] THEXTON MOTOR RACING ------------------------------ #99 David Thexton [TBA] |
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I support (V8): Holden, Holden Racing Team, Perkins Motorsport, #888, #2, #22, #11, #7, #3, #34, #51, #55, #33, #88, #18, #4, #5 & #1. I support (F1): Williams Toyota, Red Bull Renault, #15, #16, #23, #9 & #10. RIP Peter Brock and Mark Porter 
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13 Jan 2004, 01:16 (Ref:836083)
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No offence to Charlie O'Brien; because I have the upmost respect for him, but wouldn't the WPS consortium be better advised putting Greg Ritter in the car, and Charlie could continue in Carrera Cup, and do the enduros?
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13 Jan 2004, 01:38 (Ref:836096)
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Has KMart confirmed to be the sponser of KRT?
Agree with you there AraiGP5 on Charlie O, he could also be the team manager for WPS, and is Skaify keeping No#2?? |
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13 Jan 2004, 02:09 (Ref:836110)
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13 Jan 2004, 02:29 (Ref:836124)
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I didn't think there would be much doubt Skaife would have No.2 on his car.
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13 Jan 2004, 03:01 (Ref:836151)
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Wouldn't someone take #4 now?
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13 Jan 2004, 03:42 (Ref:836174)
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No, SBR own #4 and will remain Ambrose's reserve number if someone else wins the championship this year he can have #4 back if Ross and Jimmy dont sell it, and they wont,\.
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I support (V8): Holden, Holden Racing Team, Perkins Motorsport, #888, #2, #22, #11, #7, #3, #34, #51, #55, #33, #88, #18, #4, #5 & #1. I support (F1): Williams Toyota, Red Bull Renault, #15, #16, #23, #9 & #10. RIP Peter Brock and Mark Porter
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13 Jan 2004, 21:06 (Ref:837119)
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That was Skaifey's original racing no, but i wonder what number Todd will be gettin then, maybe 4.:confused: |
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13 Jan 2004, 21:42 (Ref:837161)
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Happy David Thexton Day, 21st March 2003 “I am not uncertain” - Dollar Bill Stern, Billions “Fear stimulates my imagination” - Don Draper, Mad Men “Everybody Lies” - Dr Gregory House, House “Trust But Verify” - Commissioner Frank Reagan, Blue Bloods
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13 Jan 2004, 22:18 (Ref:837202)
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They will win the crown but maybe not for Markus Its the enforcers turn.
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13 Jan 2004, 23:47 (Ref:837296)
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It's about time this business of 'owning' numbers is given the heave-ho it deserves.
At the very least, numbers 1 through to 10 should be allocated, each season, to the respective positions in the previous years championship - no questions, discussions or arguments. In reality, the entire field should be allocated their position from last year - this would then stop the BS of cars running numbers like 021, 888 etc etc |
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13 Jan 2004, 23:56 (Ref:837302)
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I have been an advocate for this is a few different threads but have always been howled down, as far as I am concerned it just makes sense. It would be a shame that DJR and the like might not have the No that has lond been associated with them but so be it.
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14 Jan 2004, 00:38 (Ref:837336)
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#4 is reserved for Marcus until he is no longer the #1.
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14 Jan 2004, 00:51 (Ref:837343)
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14 Jan 2004, 01:13 (Ref:837364)
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#00 belongs to Racecar Preparation & Management P/L which is the holding company of the underachieving 00 Motorsport. And is for sale, with a fresh Green Eyed Monster AU, and as much workshop equipment you can fit in a 2500m2 floorspace as you need to build race cars....
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Happy David Thexton Day, 21st March 2003 “I am not uncertain” - Dollar Bill Stern, Billions “Fear stimulates my imagination” - Don Draper, Mad Men “Everybody Lies” - Dr Gregory House, House “Trust But Verify” - Commissioner Frank Reagan, Blue Bloods
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14 Jan 2004, 01:47 (Ref:837386)
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It depends on how you look at it.
Does 05 belong to Brock? Yes 05 does, but the NUMBER 5 doesn't. And why should 00 belong to Lowndes? He ran it for, what? 2 years (was it 2?) - surely that can't be used as a claim to a number. Similarly 17 - by this argument (Brock and Lowndes) it should belong to Dick Johnson - but we didn't see it retired when he retired - it was simply given to Junior and, no matter how you look at it, Junior is nowhere near the same leagues as Dick Snr. |
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14 Jan 2004, 02:07 (Ref:837394)
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If the team owns an entrant's licence, theoretically it owns the number. Not sure if Mr Forbes protected the "00" brand with a L3 licence...
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14 Jan 2004, 02:22 (Ref:837401)
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GTR - where does it say, in either the FIA or CAMS NCR's, that anyone owns a number apart from the Number 1 which is usually allocated to a particular series champion?
Sorry - but NO ONE owns numbers. |
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14 Jan 2004, 02:30 (Ref:837403)
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What about the AVesco bible RT?
 They changed the system of reserving numbers last year. And if two teams want the same number then the most senior team gets it, but of course Avesco has the right to change that too. |
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14 Jan 2004, 02:33 (Ref:837405)
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Go the brown paper bag!!
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Happy David Thexton Day, 21st March 2003 “I am not uncertain” - Dollar Bill Stern, Billions “Fear stimulates my imagination” - Don Draper, Mad Men “Everybody Lies” - Dr Gregory House, House “Trust But Verify” - Commissioner Frank Reagan, Blue Bloods
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14 Jan 2004, 02:34 (Ref:837406)
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The AVESCO bible cannot over-rule the NCR's, in the same way the NCR's cannot overrule the FIA regulations.
AVESCO, believing themselves to be the law they are, believe they can do anything. However, no one has, as yet, decided to really fight AVESCO (well except Terry Morris). And, as for AVESCO's 'rule' that no on e can challenge their rules - that hasn't been tested in a court of law yet and, I would hesitate to say, a court would not uphold AVESCO's right to prevent challenge. |
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14 Jan 2004, 03:00 (Ref:837422)
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They can overrule them if the people who are hypnotised by the AVESCO spell choose not to follow the convention but believe everything in accordance with the AVESCO prophesy...
I for one cant wait for the Morris case to get to court... or perhaps settled on the steps as these things are known to do |
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I would have thought that would be close to coming to court now. What happens if we get the result mid season and then if they win, the Morris's want to run another car. Then if Steve Ellery and Paul Little want their slice of the pie, we could end up with 38 cars in the championship.
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14 Jan 2004, 05:02 (Ref:837487)
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The nature of the win will likely see the PMM, SER, PLR franchises upgraded to L1 rights and income streams as single car entities. There was a change at the start of 2003 for franchise slots to be able to be separated and sold individually
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14 Jan 2004, 05:14 (Ref:837493)
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pete - what is wrong with 38 cars? Or 48 for that matter?
It is only AVESCO stopping this number from running - to the point where, and lets be honest about it, it is being artificially set up and manipulated. The phrase 'May the best man win' cannot even apply to V8's - the best man isn't necessarily running n the championship yet - I don;'t think anyone has come in from outside to start winning - but there are a few who have come in and started to win, each time getting better. |
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