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Alternate fuels instead of hybrid systems
With the less than warm reception that Formula One has got with the current 1.6L Turbo V6 hybrid power unit, could Formula One think outside the box and use "alternate fuels" (such as bio-ethanol) rather than a combo of a combustion engine and a electric power system? It could mean to reintroduction of bigger engines (better sounding V8's and V10's) and refuelling (meaning more tactical uses over the race) but it would be more greener than the use of potentially hazardous and environmentally damaging battery systems.
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Well, if you are minded, you can put together a biofuel is bad argument together as much as you can a hybrids are bad argument.
Isn't there already an element of biofuel in F1, or ami thinking LM? |
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IIUC there is or was already an element. However, first generation biofuels are not an environmental solution (food versus fuel). It's not an alternative to hybrid technologies (not that any technology is perfect, mind). While I'd rather than the rules go down a similar direction to Le Mans (set fuel per lap, use it how you want - with a maximum supply cost to independent teams and keeping the engines per season rule), there's nothing actually wrong with the new V6s.
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Alternate fuels? Do you mean diesel at one race and petrol at the next? Alternatively, perhaps we could propose using an alternative fuel.
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For me, Formula One is not suited for efficiency. But with the current times, they have to.
How about hydrogen ICE? |
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Betting on a pure alternative fuel engine doesn't seem like a great idea because we don't see a big industry push in that direction. Besides, a hybrid drivetrain with KERS can work with petrol, diesel, and alternative fuels.
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v16's running liquid hydrogen fuel and liquid oxygen oxidizer.
Now you're talking! They'd go like rockets then! |
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You're not the only person thinking hydrogen is a dead end. Battery/flywheel electric has the advantage of being flexible where the energy comes from. The challenge there is battery storage - the range extender being a useful thing (supposedly a use for Wankels?).
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Rosberg then proved that you can drag a dead KERS unit around for half a GP and still finish second, so they would not seem to be much use in the economy stakes either. "Simplificate and add lightnes" worked for Chapman and would probably be hugely more efficient than KERS. P.S. Wankels give huge power but they are very inefficient, turbine perhaps? |
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A problem might be though that one solution would end up being way superior and other engines would have no business. Plus that might raise costs as I could see some manufacturers developing different power unit solutions at the same time to see what's the best. |
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