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Speed-King · 23 Dec 2015, 14:24 (Ref:3599683)

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Originally Posted by Mark0994

Also i agree with speed-king on what privateer need. Why would i spent money for any class of racing when i can't compete with manufacturers. How in BTCC can BMR, Motorbase and other compete versus Honda and MG?

Because the factory teams in BTCC aren't really factory teams and even if they were, the NGTC-rules pretty much negate any major advantage through the use of numerous spec parts.

kurski · 23 Dec 2015, 15:09 (Ref:3599690)

http://www.motorsport.com/wtcc/news/...a-wtcc-switch/
Rob Huff is set to leave the Lada team for Honda next season, Motorsport.com understands.

Bramzel · 23 Dec 2015, 15:47 (Ref:3599699)

Wow, I didn't see that one coming! It'll be interesting to see how he'll perform, both Honda vs. Lada wise and against Monteiro and Michelisz. If this is true I think the pressure will be on Monteiro next year.

Rubio · 23 Dec 2015, 16:05 (Ref:3599700)

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Originally Posted by kurski

http://www.motorsport.com/wtcc/news/...a-wtcc-switch/
Rob Huff is set to leave the Lada team for Honda next season, Motorsport.com understands.

Ok, so I'm very happy that Honda is finally taking it's WTCC project seriously. That is a team that can beat Citroen. Really.

But I'm very dissapointed that Honda becomes stronger with the expense of Lada. What's happening with their project I wonder? 2 cars, as written on many Russian web-sites? Then I believe we can say goodbye to MAC3 with only Citroen and Honda competing

Bramzel · 23 Dec 2015, 16:11 (Ref:3599701)

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Originally Posted by Rubio

Ok, so I'm very happy that Honda is finally taking it's WTCC project seriously. That is a team that can beat Citroen. Really.

The drivers are nice, but to stand a chance against Citroën they'll need a new car and preferably another team to run it...

touring fan01 · 23 Dec 2015, 17:29 (Ref:3599709)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

Because the factory teams in BTCC aren't really factory teams and even if they were, the NGTC-rules pretty much negate any major advantage through the use of numerous spec parts.

what do you mean? for example how is Team Dynamics HONDA BTCC team any less of a factory Honda team than JAS HONDA WTCC team?? both funded by Honda. one nationally one internationally. but both works Honda teams!

Speed-King · 23 Dec 2015, 17:43 (Ref:3599711)

Dynamics are nowhere near a proper pukka factory effort the likes of which we had back in the 1990s. Sure, Honda pays them, but they pay them just enough to get a handle on the privateers. Things would look drastically different if they were in an all-out arms race against another manufacturer program.

And no, MG doesn't count - if drivers have to bring money to race there, it's not a proper factory effort.

touring fan01 · 23 Dec 2015, 18:06 (Ref:3599716)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

Dynamics are nowhere near a proper pukka factory effort the likes of which we had back in the 1990s. Sure, Honda pays them, but they pay them just enough to get a handle on the privateers. Things would look drastically different if they were in an all-out arms race against another manufacturer program.

And no, MG doesn't count - if drivers have to bring money to race there, it's not a proper factory effort.

so Dynamics Honda BTCC team is funded by Honda UK, entered by Honda UK, liveried as Honda racing but somehow this is different to when WSR ran the Honda UK entry in BTCC in the '90s.....how? just because the budgets are less?? of course its a pukka manufacturer entry!

touring fan01 · 23 Dec 2015, 18:15 (Ref:3599717)

Lada will struggle badly without huff. they needed his experience to develop the car.

Speed-King · 23 Dec 2015, 18:42 (Ref:3599723)

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so Dynamics Honda BTCC team is funded by Honda UK, entered by Honda UK, liveried as Honda racing but somehow this is different to when WSR ran the Honda UK entry in BTCC in the '90s.....how? just because the budgets are less?? of course its a pukka manufacturer entry!

So I guess that's a full-on factory Volvo then?

And look, KIA had a works team - in Belgium of all places - as well:

touring fan01 · 23 Dec 2015, 21:06 (Ref:3599745)

so according to you to be a full on factory effort it has to be run by the manufacturer? Honda can't just pay a team to design and develop and race their cars for them?

Speed-King · 23 Dec 2015, 21:49 (Ref:3599752)

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Originally Posted by touring fan01

so according to you to be a full on factory effort it has to be run by the manufacturer? Honda can't just pay a team to design and develop and race their cars for them?

No, that would be silly, after all many (most?!) of the ST teams in the 1990s were run by specialist outfits as well... I just don't get the feeling that the BTCC-effort is a very serious thing for Honda - call it a factory program 'lite', if you want to. (Which is of course perfectly okay, but it also explains why non-manufacturer supported teams can give them a run for their money... )

Bramzel · 23 Dec 2015, 22:31 (Ref:3599761)

I'm with Speed-King on this one. TD isn't a factory team like JAS is in WTCC. It's more a Dealer Team, a national importer team like the Belgian examples mentioned.

touring fan01 · 23 Dec 2015, 22:56 (Ref:3599765)

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Originally Posted by Bramzel

I'm with Speed-King on this one. TD isn't a factory team like JAS is in WTCC. It's more a Dealer Team, a national importer team like the Belgian examples mentioned.

the Belgium examples are no comparison. They are not even production based. They are mid engine silhouette car without even the manufacturers own engines. They are not touring cars

just because a team gets its money nationally instead of internationally from the same manufacturer doesn't mean it's not a factory effort. JAS do exactly the same as TD do. they run a touring car program for Honda just with a bigger budget. and a lot less success!

maybe what Honda need is for TD to run their WTCC program.

markf8691 · 23 Dec 2015, 23:47 (Ref:3599779)

This is quite off topic but my 2 cents are:

I would agree that they are a importer team but also a works team, they get their funding from Honda UK marketing department. Just because the budget that they get is probably no were near what the budgets were like back in the ST era, doesn't make them any less of a works team. Honda UK also pay the entry fee which technically makes them a works team - MG included even though they maybe dont offer much if any financial support.

Anybody have any idea what support MG actually offer 888?

Lanti · 28 Dec 2015, 12:03 (Ref:3600519)

Rumours are the should Rob Huff sign for Honda, his seat could be taken by Nestor Girolami. It is said that he can combine WTCC with Stock Car Brasil. Let's wait and see.

**FIRE** · 28 Dec 2015, 17:41 (Ref:3600573)

I don't see that happen.

Matt · 28 Dec 2015, 18:39 (Ref:3600586)

I just want a competitive Lada alongside Volvo.

**FIRE** · 28 Dec 2015, 19:16 (Ref:3600593)

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Originally Posted by Matt

I just want a competitive Lada alongside Volvo.

If Huff moves to Honda with Catsburg they have still a very good driver. Or is he not returning to LADA?

thlbtcc · 29 Dec 2015, 18:55 (Ref:3600743)

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Originally Posted by Lanti

Rumours are the should Rob Huff sign for Honda, his seat could be taken by Nestor Girolami. It is said that he can combine WTCC with Stock Car Brasil. Let's wait and see.

The China WTCC round clashes with a Stock Car race.

Rubio · 29 Dec 2015, 21:26 (Ref:3600773)

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Originally Posted by Lanti

Rumours are the should Rob Huff sign for Honda, his seat could be taken by Nestor Girolami. It is said that he can combine WTCC with Stock Car Brasil. Let's wait and see.

Hope so, but really don't believe that either

Lada should hire one of the fast indies, for example. (Again, Valente). Hey, and Tarquini is free now

Racing Harz · 30 Dec 2015, 06:57 (Ref:3600878)

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Originally Posted by Rubio

Hope so, but really don't believe that either

Lada should hire one of the fast indies, for example. (Again, Valente). Hey, and Tarquini is free now

Tarquini ist likely to stay at Honda and will drive TCR or BTCC.

Bramzel · 30 Dec 2015, 08:31 (Ref:3600887)

Several new pictures of the Volvo on the Cyan Racing Facebook page. While it's definitely the best looking TC1 car so far, they really should lower the ride height on those things. Like the Citroën and the Chevy it looks like a 4x4...

PorscheFanNo1 · 30 Dec 2015, 12:07 (Ref:3600928)

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Originally Posted by Bramzel

Several new pictures of the Volvo on the Cyan Racing Facebook page. While it's definitely the best looking TC1 car so far, they really should lower the ride height on those things. Like the Citroën and the Chevy it looks like a 4x4...

Sadly the trend is going towards more and more space between the wheel and wheelarch to be able to extract the air from within the wheelwell (air that otherwise would produce lift). Only way to get rid of that is to write the rules in a clever way to prohibit it.

Matt · 30 Dec 2015, 12:33 (Ref:3600936)

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Originally Posted by PorscheFanNo1

Sadly the trend is going towards more and more space between the wheel and wheelarch to be able to extract the air from within the wheelwell (air that otherwise would produce lift). Only way to get rid of that is to write the rules in a clever way to prohibit it.

"cars must be aesthetically pleasing to the eye and not look like a 4x4. distance from the top of the wheel to the bottom of the wheel arch must not exceed x mm while the car is stationary."

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