And the supercar drivers were banned....

[Mixer]

Can't seem to edit my own post.

Looks like Fabian Coulthard is also a scratching. Circumstantial evidence but it does seem to be building...

[Biggy G]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Zero is a number.

Random forum poster is as credible as a ****ed guy at the pub with a tinfoil hat.

Show me a source with any credibility and I might listen. There seems to be one poster here who has posted unsubstantiated allegations here and I can't find mention of it anywhere else. I find it very difficult to believe we wouldn't hear more of it if it were true.

Also regarding any professional media reporting on this there's a thing called defamation in the form of libel, where you make accusations you have no proof of and if they cannot be proven to be true, you will be sued for damaging someone's reputation with false allegations.

Fabian credible enough?

http://www.facebook.com/OfficialFabianCoulthardFanPage

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Looks like Fabian Coulthard is also a scratching. Circumstantial evidence but it does seem to be building...

Originally Posted by Biggy G

Fabian credible enough?

2+2 does not necessarily equal 5. 2 prominent drivers are not going, despite one of them at least showing intent to go prior.

There's been no other comment so far so maybe its true and maybe they are gagged.

[onza]

Originally Posted by Axeman444

Fabs is out...

Oh looky here.... Maybe I am more credible than I've been credited...

See who else mysteriously pulls out this week huh..

[FAS33]

theyre scared

[one five five]

(If it turns out that V8SA has perhaps encouraged drivers not to compete), would V8ST fight fire with fire and suggest their regulars not run at Sandown or Bathurst??

[harcey]

Originally Posted by one five five

(If it turns out that V8SA has perhaps encouraged drivers not to compete), would V8ST fight fire with fire and suggest their regulars not run at Sandown or Bathurst??

Nice joke mate..........bigger issue right now is that V8ST are 'on their own" with no support from v8SC and at logger heads with MNZ and no support classes on any note..........i would be ******* nervous about the future.....stars in cars only works until the current crop in ST become boring to the few loyal fans......i like ST a lot but this is another big nail in future growth...

[Axeman444]

Just a thought, is V8ST officially sanctioned by MSNZ, and therefore FIA?

I have no idea, just asking

[Senna05]

http://http://www.speedcafe.com/2012...r-withdrawals/

Well......wow!

I look at the statement provided by V8SA, and to not look like total hypocrites, Steve Owen and Craig Lowndes need to cease playing in GT Vehicles. Tim Slade should never step foot in a speedcar. And I hope the Kelly's / Team Vodafone never go bike riding or rallying again.

I understand that there is competition in some respects, being a V8 and a Commodore/Falcon, but seriously.... The V8 Supertourer series is a local alternative, and albeit a bloody good one, is not really at this stage competition. I mean, if they were REALLY concerned, at this years Bathurst 12hr, they would have stopped at least 3 drivers from being 'potentially injured' prior to their season opener.....

Scared - indeed!

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Biggy G

Fabian credible enough?

http://www.facebook.com/OfficialFabianCoulthardFanPage

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Senna05

http://http://www.speedcafe.com/2012...r-withdrawals/

Well......wow!

I look at the statement provided by V8SA, and to not look like total hypocrites, Steve Owen and Craig Lowndes need to cease playing in GT Vehicles. Tim Slade should never step foot in a speedcar. And I hope the Kelly's / Team Vodafone never go bike riding or rallying again.

I understand that there is competition in some respects, being a V8 and a Commodore/Falcon, but seriously.... The V8 Supertourer series is a local alternative, and albeit a bloody good one, is not really at this stage competition. I mean, if they were REALLY concerned, at this years Bathurst 12hr, they would have stopped at least 3 drivers from being 'potentially injured' prior to their season opener.....

Scared - indeed!

Link Here.. fixed...

So.. what did Mr Cochrane think of Mr Owen participating in Mr Weeks' Ford GT40 at Eastern Creek at the weekend? I notice that he wasnt publicly sanctioned or threatened with castration or worse

Originally Posted by The SpeedAdCafe Article

Speedcafe.com understands that the announcements have come following a recent briefing to the V8 Supercars teams by chairman Tony Cochrane in which they were strongly discouraged from allowing their drivers to take part in the domestic series.

Doesnt sound definitive does it... honestly...

[flyingduck]

Originally Posted by Senna05

http://http://www.speedcafe.com/2012...r-withdrawals/

Well......wow!

I look at the statement provided by V8SA, and to not look like total hypocrites, Steve Owen and Craig Lowndes need to cease playing in GT Vehicles. Tim Slade should never step foot in a speedcar. And I hope the Kelly's / Team Vodafone never go bike riding or rallying again.

I understand that there is competition in some respects, being a V8 and a Commodore/Falcon, but seriously.... The V8 Supertourer series is a local alternative, and albeit a bloody good one, is not really at this stage competition. I mean, if they were REALLY concerned, at this years Bathurst 12hr, they would have stopped at least 3 drivers from being 'potentially injured' prior to their season opener.....

Scared - indeed!

Well I agree there is so many drivers that compete in other classes. I think it adds more fans to a driver and then super cars that this seems a little small minded

[GTRMagic]

There is a genuine risk to teams if they allow their pilots to drive on weekends other than their allotted V8Supercar championship activities. A driver can easily get hurt (Robert Kubica is perhaps the most public, and sad, example of this) in circumstances that are not necessarily their fault.

I wouldnt mind betting that Mr Cochrane's conversation with the teams, if indeed it actually happened as rote, related the example of Kelly Racing and Mr Murphy's unavailability... the car is not performing on the track with either of its replacement pilots... which would not be pleasing the sponsor, nor the team looking to perhaps lock in that sponsor for a multi year agreement.

If a teamowner informs a driver that they pay their bills on the strength of their V8Supercar involvement, and that the risk of running in any other event is in excess of what might be determined as acceptable to the teamowner paying those bills... you can kinda see the point..

Might have been prudent to have that kinds of discussion BEFORE the drivers apparently agreed to drive other events however...

[peckstar]

this same press release announced that another full time v8 driver was signing for the enduros, to be announced tomorrow, with another one soon

[socram]

Originally Posted by Axeman444

Just a thought, is V8ST officially sanctioned by MSNZ, and therefore FIA?

I have no idea, just asking

No!

If you run a sanctioned series, MSNZ can 'interfere'. If you elect to run a non-sanctioned series such as V8ST, then the series is responsible for administering and applying its own rules and penalties.

MSNZ are then only responsible as Stewards of the meeting for the usual permit, safety and driving standards as per the book and cannot interfere with the administration.

The meeting is still run under the FIA via MSNZ but I am not sure of those intricacies!

[Juarez Jed]

No need to hypothesise, the real reason is obviously TC wanting the Pukekohe V8SC round to be the only time the Kiwis get to see the V8SC drivers competing on Kiwi soil, solely to increase the importance and crowd-pulling power of the event.
The GT races obviously weren't important enough to warrant any action, but may now suffer from the flow-on effects of this announcement in order for TC to seem consistent.
I would think that the alleged threat to deny TV coverage to any one who doesn't abide by the decision is illegal and Ford and/or Holden should be letting their feelings known publicly if the individual team owners are reluctant to stand up to TC on this matter.

[GTRMagic]

Is Ford still participating in V8Supercar?

[Senna05]

I can see a bit of double standards though.

Murphy and Lowndes - Huge names (albeit one on past glories) who are bigger than the sport in their counties, being allowed to do as they wish within reason.

Fabian and Shane - Up and comers, somewhat under the thumb.

The same is evident in F1 - Kubica was the star of the team - no doubt Petrov wouldn't have been allowed to go and rally.

Still, to set this 'precedent' and yet allow Steve Owen to go and pedal a GT the next weekend is absolute garbage. If he was driving a foreign series that might pose a threat, I have no doubt he'd be 'sanctioned' (not that he gets that much coverage at the moment...)

[Pro Racer]

it's bull**** this and **** weak statement from IV8SC. just my opinion.

[Juarez Jed]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Is Ford still participating in V8Supercar?

I'm sure if FPR were to win Bathurst they'd like the publicity, even if it was only for old times sake !

[harcey]

Originally Posted by Juarez Jed

No need to hypothesise, the real reason is obviously TC wanting the Pukekohe V8SC round to be the only time the Kiwis get to see the V8SC drivers competing on Kiwi soil, solely to increase the importance and crowd-pulling power of the event.
The GT races obviously weren't important enough to warrant any action, but may now suffer from the flow-on effects of this announcement in order for TC to seem consistent.
I would think that the alleged threat to deny TV coverage to any one who doesn't abide by the decision is illegal and Ford and/or Holden should be letting their feelings known publicly if the individual team owners are reluctant to stand up to TC on this matter.

i think you are all missing the point.......v8St(and fans/supporters and in disguise members) have compared themselves to V8SC and stated they will be faster at certain tracks etc etc...that is direct competition...forget v8sc drivers doing GT/bathurst 12hr etc etc....have a scroll back thru some of the many posts since V8st came along ....its not rocket science...seriously

[Juarez Jed]

No I haven't missed the point, Tc is a ringmaster and there are 2 circuses in the same town .

[harcey]

Originally Posted by Juarez Jed

No I haven't missed the point, Tc is a ringmaster and there are 2 circuses in the same town .

yep...you have then

[Bugger All]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

What I think is funny is that in 2 hours 28 people like the fact the SVG isn't racing in the series!!!

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Senna05

I can see a bit of double standards though.

Murphy and Lowndes - Huge names (albeit one on past glories) who are bigger than the sport in their counties, being allowed to do as they wish within reason.

Fabian and Shane - Up and comers, somewhat under the thumb.

The same is evident in F1 - Kubica was the star of the team - no doubt Petrov wouldn't have been allowed to go and rally.

Still, to set this 'precedent' and yet allow Steve Owen to go and pedal a GT the next weekend is absolute garbage. If he was driving a foreign series that might pose a threat, I have no doubt he'd be 'sanctioned' (not that he gets that much coverage at the moment...)

Do you really think Mr Cochrane would be able to say 'no' to Mr Morris... whose major sponsor in VIP Petfoods is of common ownership of the Australian GT series...

Somehow.. not likely