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14 Sep 2008, 17:46 (Ref:2290118) | #1 | ||
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What will replace Seat Cupra Cup?
My bet is that we will see the return of another single seat championship in the form of British F3.
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14 Sep 2008, 17:53 (Ref:2290122) | #2 | ||
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Dunlop Sports Maxx cup, they claim its the feeder series to the BTCC, its already a BARC competition
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14 Sep 2008, 20:20 (Ref:2290247) | #3 | ||
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I think the F3 boys have already turned down the chance of joining the BTCC in 2009.
I think they should go for a guest series at each round such as Heritage GT, Legends, Elise Trophy etc |
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14 Sep 2008, 20:53 (Ref:2290287) | #4 | |
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Stockhatch! Stockhatch! Or Sportmaxx? Maybe new minis, anything but radicals..........
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14 Sep 2008, 20:56 (Ref:2290290) | #5 | ||
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Just getting Renault up to Knockhill would be a start
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15 Sep 2008, 07:39 (Ref:2290583) | #7 | |
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From what I've seen Sports Maxx are struggling for entries even more than the current Cupra Cup. Stockhatch are unlikely to move from 750MC. The only single seater series I know of with enough support would be FPA, but again I can't see them wanting a permanent support slot.
My guess is that it will be something with manufacturer support, but at the minute nothing jumps out as an obvious choice. I quite like the idea of different guest races each week. |
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15 Sep 2008, 07:58 (Ref:2290607) | #8 | ||
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My guess is that the replacement championship will be the Ginetta G20 championship. My reasoning in this is that the championship is manufacturer backed, which seems to appeal to TOCA. Also, Stephane Ratel has been quoted in Autosport saying that if his Supersports concept gets off the ground, he'd be looking to reduce the number of Ginetta races on the F3/GT package. As such, it probably makes sense for the G50s to remain with the GTs due to the similarity in type.
Personally, I would prefer to see a rota of support races, reflecting the best in club level competition. |
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15 Sep 2008, 12:17 (Ref:2290831) | #9 | |
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Rotation makes sense to some extent, but remember the commercial aspects of being on the TOCA package are quite different to most racing. Bottom line, its GOws baby and if you want to play in his playground then you pay, the question is not what series would fit nicely but what series would fit nicely and have the budget to buy their slot.
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15 Sep 2008, 12:27 (Ref:2290842) | #10 | ||
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Hopefully, not another one-make championship. It would be great to see a return to a proper production saloon series (preferably one that would mop up a whole group of other struggling championships at the same time). Can't see it happening though. I expect it will go to something that will pay a suitable sanctioning fee rather than something which will produce full grids of exciting racing.
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15 Sep 2008, 13:17 (Ref:2290879) | #11 | |
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Given time the SportMaxx series would fit the bill nicely, especially with the rumoured 3 x15min races for next year and I'm sure Dunlop could find the resources to put it on the TOCA package next year. I think its better to let it get its feet and get more entries before that (although there would be no shortage of entries if it was on the TOCA package - so maybe there a chicken/egg scenario here )
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15 Sep 2008, 13:45 (Ref:2290904) | #12 | ||
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Are the FFord boys still looking at joining in? They were last year....
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15 Sep 2008, 15:21 (Ref:2290995) | #13 | ||
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The Ginetta G50's were high on the list of championship's being looked at for 2009 before the SEAT announcement. There are also hints of another single seat championship joining the package within the next couple of years. Personally, I would like to see a championship similar to the JTCC in Sweden. A feeder championship to the BTCC! The SportMaxx series. We will just have to wait for TOCA to let us know what it will be. |
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F3 - Unless there is another F3 series in the UK (existing or new) BF3 doesn't exactly get on with Alan Gow after the who business that didn't go through. FFord - Sanctioning fee? FBMW UK - Not coming back. What does that leave us? Either a new series, BARC Formula Renault or Palmer Audi. Hmm. Quote:
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15 Sep 2008, 16:27 (Ref:2291034) | #15 | ||
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I know someone who knows what will replace the Cupras. Problem is, he wont tell me a thing... He said himself that he thinks i will like the cars. And he is judging this from Forza 2 were I run a Production league and a BTCC league, so sport maxx or something similar?
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15 Sep 2008, 16:45 (Ref:2291039) | #16 | ||
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15 Sep 2008, 17:19 (Ref:2291061) | #17 | ||
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Sorry for the confusion, I was referring to the possibility of a single seaters with the "either a new series".
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15 Sep 2008, 17:24 (Ref:2291064) | #18 | ||
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My previous comment was about the Porsche and RX8 comment.. |
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15 Sep 2008, 17:40 (Ref:2291075) | #19 | |
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The two problems with SPortmaxx were poor grid size this year and crap tech regs (the two no doubt were related). I strongly think that the tech regs have or are about to be released that solve all the problems that we have encountered this year which which solve the grid size (as well as the race format being changed). So I guess with these in mind the grid size problem would be sorted pretty easily. So maybe SportMaxx is being considered? I'd be happy thats for sure.
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15 Sep 2008, 17:57 (Ref:2291097) | #20 | |
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Why not a sort of GT3 or GT4 version for touring cars?
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15 Sep 2008, 17:57 (Ref:2291098) | #21 | ||
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To an extent that's what Sportmaxx is.
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15 Sep 2008, 18:08 (Ref:2291107) | #22 | |
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But Sportmaxx isn't performance balanced?
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15 Sep 2008, 18:36 (Ref:2291144) | #23 | |
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Well it is, just not brilliantly well this year. That should change which will also allow FI to mix with NA and fwd to mix with rwd. Datalogging is likely to be used more extensively next year to well to keep it level too. THe more I think about it the more logical it step it seems, the only weakness is grid size and I'm convinced that if they implement the changes we discussed at the last meeting that will fix itself.
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15 Sep 2008, 19:33 (Ref:2291179) | #24 | ||
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If it was to run on the TOCA package for Saloon/Hatch type cars. There could even be incentives to draw BTCC teams into the championship to run as feeder teams! |
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15 Sep 2008, 20:14 (Ref:2291216) | #25 | ||
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I thought Fiat were looking at introducing a one make series for the Fiat Arbarth?
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