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This detracts from racing when the drivers can't trust one another, but on the other hand prevents the bullying behaviour that Hamilton is accused of here. This is behaviour that the stewards should try to get rid of, the racing incident in the pit lane last year would be a case in point, where Hamilton obtained an unfair advantage by breaking the rules! It is an unsafe practice and should have been penalised. If Hamilton pushes the boundaries which he does all the time, he should expect to come in front of the stewards and to be sanctioned for bad behaviour. The threat of a stewards penalty ruining your race completely should discourage reckless behaviour and ensure that unsportsmanlike conduct isn't rewarded! The alternative is that the drivers start keeping score and repaying the slight in kind as Senna repaid Prost. Hamilton should have a few drivers interested in repaying the various punts he has dished out. Could severely ruin a WDC campaign. Perhaps some corners like Eau Rouge should be designated as no passing zones, important in establishing lap times, but no go areas for passing as the results are prejudicial or disasterous when someone pushes the point. This leads to other problems like drivers deliberately going slow through the no passing section. |
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I'd find it important that stewards finally start to punish driving off track hard without all this "oooh but in start lap it is allowed but then we hand out penalties but only after the xyz (add your fav number here) time" or "oooh but in start lap it is allowed but then we hand out penalties but only if you stay behind curbs past that red mark on the asphalt" because by now it is proved that deliberate racing lines outside the track boundary (behind the white lines) are often faster than staying inside. I want to have it penalized hard because thanks to asphalted run offs the ultimate penalty of loosing time on wet gras up to loosing a whole race in gravel traps has gone. The only place to my knowledge where it makes fully sense to put it under yellow for four-wheelers is Melco Hairpin at Macao. |
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Lol what are the chances realistically of drivers crashing deliberately? That's just what Hamilton's WDC campaign needs, a DNF. They all know that finishing with some points is better than not finishing with any. Yes he's a hot head and doesnt always make the best decisions but he's not going to write of his championship hopes on purpose. If he did I doubt he would still have a job.
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This whole debate about overtaking into corners boils down to driver judgement. There will always be a risk.
I think it's up to the driver attempting the overtake to judge that risk, and realise that the further back he is when he goes for it the less likely the other driver will see him and the more likely the move will result in contact. Some corners, by their nature, also increase that risk. And of course there's always the possibility that the other driver will turn in anyway. If it's clear that contact resulted because the overtaking driver got that judgement badly wrong, then he should take the penalty and shut up. If it's clear the other driver could see (or should have seen) the overtaking car, was in a position to allow room and turned in anyway, then the stewards should be looking at him. At the moment, as displayed at Monaco, Hamilton's judgement is sorely lacking. He needs to stop blaming everyone and everything else and learn the difference between aggressive and reckless. |
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It astonishes me the way F1 has become, where everything has to be politically correct. I grew up watching Senna, Mansell, Piquet and co racing very hard. Schumi's era, maybe because of his domination but also maybe because it was F1 after a worldwide televised disaster, Senna's fatal accident, has become anaesthetised. The one move at the start of the race, the blue flag rule, backmarkers having to jump out of the way. It used to be an art form dealing with backmarkers. It was one of Senna's weapons. Reutemann was passed by Lauda back in the 70' costing him a Grand Prix win. Nowadays, coming up behind backmarkers doesn't give the pursuer any advantage which once was there. I agree, at times Hamilton is rash with his manoeuvre's, but I get the feeling some of this is other drivers fed up of how stupid he's made them look in the past, and if there's a questionable overtake happening, they won't give him room. Then you get the the younger generation of MotoGP riders who complain continuously that Rossi races too hard, too aggressive. Yet apart from his own accident last year, he's never injured another rider or himself whilst racing. Thankfully the bikers haven't forgotten what real competition is about. |
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"real competition" is possibly reserved for those vehicles that are able to withstand close contact with others without resulting in serious injury or accidents of a more unpredictable nature? |
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"Then you get the the younger generation of MotoGP riders who complain continuously that Rossi races too hard, too aggressive. Yet apart from his own accident last year, he's never injured another rider or himself whilst racing. Thankfully the bikers haven't forgotten what real competition is about." Herowassenna
Being picky but, Marco Melandri may beg to differ - 1995 Japanese MotoGP “I knew it would be a risk to try and overtake and I expected Loris to pass Max in the final few laps. I knew I could be World Champion with fourth place and so I decided to just wait and do my race. Then Marco made a small mistake and suddenly I was behind him. It was the first time I had followed him into turn ten and we took completely different lines. He went to the outside of the track to cut across and get good acceleration out of the corner but I went to the inside to run wider on the exit.” “For the first 50m of braking we were at exactly the same speed so there was no warning, but he was able to stop the bike much harder than me and I couldn’t avoid him. You can’t see it very well on the television but I wasn’t even trying to pass him, it was just one of those things. I apologised to Marco and he said ‘it happens.’ Now I am very concerned for him and I just hope he is ok.” Gauloises Yamaha team director Davide Brivio added: “Our first concern is for Marco Melandri. We are not sure of his injuries just yet but we hope it is not serious and I wish him well on behalf of the whole team. There was a protest against Valentino put forward by Honda on behalf of all its MotoGP Teams, but Race Direction has judged this unfounded. As far as the championship is concerned, it is a pity we couldn’t finish it off here and for Valentino it is a shame that his run of podiums has been interrupted. All we can do is try to make up for it by taking the points back next time.” from: http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/a...p/t-65671.html You are right though herowassenna the bike riders are really hard racers even with their present spat and far less full of airs and graces than the F1 drivers! Go MotoGP! |
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