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Old 30 Nov 2017, 03:34 (Ref:3784218)   #51
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It's worth noting that Lowndes lost five entire years of his prime in his aborted single-seater career, and...
His peak in single-seaters was in F3000 during 1997, when Lowndes was teammate of a certain JP Montoya... And also had a certain Dr Helmut Marko as team boss (just before his Red Bull association)... M'enfin, it seems notably F1 people years after...
How curious, Craig scored three points in F3000, as Traverso also scored three points in 1979 F2...
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Old 30 Nov 2017, 03:52 (Ref:3784226)   #52
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The problem is that you are acting as if the car is fast by magic, but it isn't, it is developed by the drivers. Look how fast the 888 VE was the first year after switching from Ford - it is no miracle...



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Skaife's ratio is amazing, but you also have to factor in the GTR somewhat - people act as if a 888 car is not equal to others, but at least from a rules perspective it was!
Skaife's overall ATCC record is better than his GTR only stats.
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Old 30 Nov 2017, 08:33 (Ref:3784253)   #53
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quality is impossible to compare over periods of time.
Exactly, just like the rest of the stats.

Bare numbers prove nothing really.

Kim Jane won four straight Australian NASCAR titles, more than anyone else, does that mean he was the best driver in a NASCAR we've ever seen in Australia?

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you ask this question because you think someone else is the GOAT. making it possible someone CAN be the best ever. We think alike.
Well Agostini has more wins and Angel Nieto has more world championships, so how can you claim Rossi is the GOAT?

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Moffat - 100 ATCC starts, 32 wins.

Whincup - 434 ATCC starts, 108 wins.

Skaife - 220 ATCC starts, 90 wins.

Lowndes - 635 ATCC starts, 105 wins.

Brock - 212 ATCC starts, 37 wins.

Johnson - 202 ATCC starts, 22 wins.

Geoghegan - 42 ATCC starts, 9 wins.
Skaife had 220 'round' starts. He had many more 'race' starts

Lowndes & Whincup's figures you quote there are from individual race starts (sometimes as many as 4 per weekend). Skaife's individual race starts would be closer to the 300-400 range.

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Skaife's ratio is amazing, but you also have to factor in the GTR somewhat - people act as if a 888 car is not equal to others, but at least from a rules perspective it was!
Skaife won 10 races from 28 starts in the GTR across, 1990, 1991 and 1992

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Old 30 Nov 2017, 08:44 (Ref:3784254)   #54
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Skaife had 220 'round' starts. He had many more 'race' starts

Lowndes & Whincup's figures you quote there are from individual race starts (sometimes as many as 4 per weekend). Skaife's individual race starts would be closer to the 300-400 range.
You're right. I was pressed for time when I posted it, and it does seem quite low.

482 seems to be the correct number.

Although the stats for the other drivers I've mentioned, seem to differ from site to site too.
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Old 30 Nov 2017, 09:04 (Ref:3784259)   #55
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peckstar has a lot of promise if they can keep it on the circuit!
so a better stat is how many ATCC from attempts

Jamie is at 7 from 14 FT attempts 50%

Bit it really doesnt matter how you slice things 7 Championships - The GOAT
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Old 30 Nov 2017, 09:06 (Ref:3784260)   #56
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Alan Jones was a F1 world champion. Lowndes went up against Montoya and ended up with egg on his face. Food for thought.

Hey Jack Brabham made a few starts at Bathurst right? Does anyone really think Lowndes has what it takes to have been a 3 time F1 champ?

Scott Dixon and Seb Bourdais made a few starts in Supercars as well right.

I suppose part timers with a few starts we're not really counting though.
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Exactly, just like the rest of the stats.

Bare numbers prove nothing really.

Kim Jane won four straight Australian NASCAR titles, more than anyone else, does that mean he was the best driver in a NASCAR we've ever seen in Australia?



Well Agostini has more wins and Angel Nieto has more world championships, so how can you claim Rossi is the GOAT?



Skaife had 220 'round' starts. He had many more 'race' starts

Lowndes & Whincup's figures you quote there are from individual race starts (sometimes as many as 4 per weekend). Skaife's individual race starts would be closer to the 300-400 range.



Skaife won 10 races from 28 starts in the GTR across, 1990, 1991 and 1992
Because Jamie Wincup is the GOAT that's why.
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The comparisons to Moffat are so valid.
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Was interesting how charismatic Moffat became after retiring. His appearance on the Shannon's legends was worth watching over and over.

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