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Let's be honest with ourselves for a moment - Supercars isn't really a parity series. It quite easily could be, but that isn't the direction that has been chosen.
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Ofcourse 888 will refute any claims. Ofcourse proof (Whatever constitutes proof these days in the era of fake news) wont be released publicly. At the end of the day either the combined mass of the roof/hatch/hinges/bulkhead from carbon/fibreglass confer a mass and cog advantage over the steel equivalents in the Falcon & Altima or they don't. A few mouse clicks on the drawing package will give that answer. As much as 888 will want to obfuscate the homologation/manufacturing/engineering process it doesn't change how straightforward an exercise it should be. You are 100% correct though. Supercars will sit on their hands about parity. They inevitably wait until after Bathurst unless Holden are affected. |
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7 Mar 2018, 02:50 (Ref:3806434) | #106 | ||
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Blah blah blah.
Public release of information nobody has the expertise to understand? Good idea. Supercars is run BY THE TEAMS, and Roland Dane isn't even on the board anymore... So the rules the car is built to are rules all of the teams have had input on. Commodore wins almost everything at Adelaide. 888 is the best team this category has ever seen. Why are we surprised DJRTP are complaining about inequality when they have been beaten? There isn't yet any actual information to support an inequality in technical parity, but its too early to say it doesn't exist. Lap times from other circuits where Commodores have not dominated may tell a different story. |
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I'm not particularly of a "blue" or "red" hue but can't agree with your last statement (although it's been some time since parity adjustments have been made) as the parity adjustments that I can recall all were to slow down Holdens, not the other way around and made at various times of the season. |
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“There’s all these little bits and pieces and Supercars, I believe, did the right thing, added all those weights up, worked out the weights, worked out the centre of gravity, and said, ‘you know what? Actually, you’re all pretty much the same.’ The process and the outcome are different. They may well have gone through the process but "pretty much the same" from 888 and djrtp viewpoints is obvious not the same. |
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7 Mar 2018, 03:34 (Ref:3806443) | #110 | |
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The VE was 'cut n shut' in the Blueprint days to bring it in line with the BF and still eligible VZ.
When the Blueprint FG was released it also had to be 'cut n shut' to Match the above. This was also carried over to COTF. Last year when Fabs crashed in NZ, DJRTP had to source a road going FG roof and chop it to fit. Sent from my SM-G900I using Tapatalk |
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Why do we have to wait? Hasn't the ZB already been through Supercars rigorous aero/parity homogulation testing? They've signed off on it so I'm not sure what will change once we go to more tracks - are you suggesting Supercars homogulation procedure may not actually be adequate?
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It would seem replacing a steel roof had not been an issue before but may have become one now. would think a half decent group of engineers (of which there are many in supercars) can work this out and the rule can be adjusted accordingly if needed |
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One of the best drivers, in the best team, won the weekend, which he also did last year, in a car with a steel roof.
I fail to see what is news. |
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Last year he didn't do it in a car that was "just scratching the surface" of development.
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Commodore has utterly dominated this race for years, so I fail to see how the sky is falling because Commodore won there again, with a new body over the old chassis. |
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How many meetings of similar Holden dominance would you need before you thought there might be a problem?
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Even Walkinshaw, somehow always have a showing at Clipsal and then disappear - couild easily be an aberration. |
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I'm asking you a genuine question, if similar dominance continued, with continued uproar from Ford and Nissan, how many rounds would it take for you to say there might be a problem here?
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More water needs to pass under the bridge before we can insinuate who's dominant.
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It is too early to say anybody is dominant, it is just hysterical whinging from teams who are getting beaten.
DJRTP were not consistent last year and they were not consistent at Adelaide - they failed to maximise their package. Tickford were better but didn't seem to have winning pace, but obviously all ended up in the top 10. Nissan are actually just a joke and shouldn't enter into the discussion, but the Kelly's never won anything in the Commodore, which people at the time whinged had an advantage... So 888, Erebus (DR at least) and Walkinshaw found speed, but BJR in the identical mechanical package to 888 didn't trouble the scorers, running solidly in the mid-pack with the Nissans they are supposedly so much faster than... |
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Walkinshaw have come out and said the new bits they have for Melbourne will increase their competitiveness on non street circuits - the idea being they will have better rear on the cars. The cars for the last few years have been much better on street tracks than on traditional circuits. Using race wins as a benchmark for parity isn't a good path forward in any case. You cannot tell the extent to which a team is doing a better job within the regulations as distinct from the regulation handing them an advantage. |
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Did you see Larko's analysis of laptimes for the last half of Sunday's race at Adelaide? There was no apparent advantage of the ZB vs other cars apparent.
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