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Old 24 Feb 2004, 13:43 (Ref:884011)   #51
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Old 24 Feb 2004, 14:11 (Ref:884048)   #52
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Old 24 Feb 2004, 17:08 (Ref:884194)   #53
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Another way to rate Eddie is through his input into the development of the race cars that ferrari produced. I think it was one of the key factors behind the signing of Eddie.In fact the guy was so quick in testing in the early days that his track time was cut back big time. I remember reading a funny interview on him in which he said he was the best paid holiday maker in ireland because of the lack of testing and all he had to do was turn up at the races once every two weeks and even at this the guy was still close to MS on the track. As i said before the guy was only doing what he was told not what he wanted for himself.
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Old 24 Feb 2004, 17:23 (Ref:884203)   #54
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Old 24 Feb 2004, 18:14 (Ref:884246)   #55
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Another way to rate Eddie is through his input into the development of the race cars that ferrari produced.
Which was apparent during the period that Michael had off due to his broken leg. The Ferrari made huge strides backwards.

However he didn't seem to get much testing early in his Ferrari career. I'm not sure he was that bothered though.
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Old 24 Feb 2004, 19:40 (Ref:884364)   #56
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Which was apparent during the period that Michael had off due to his broken leg. The Ferrari made huge strides backwards.

However he didn't seem to get much testing early in his Ferrari career. I'm not sure he was that bothered though.

Hummm...... Huge strides backwards?? Not sure that's entirely accurate :confused:
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Old 24 Feb 2004, 19:52 (Ref:884388)   #57
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An exageration maybe, but it certainly lost pace relative to the others during that spell without Michael. Whether it was an inability to find a decent set-up or a general fall off I don't know. It did alright at the low downforce tracks. However the change was remarkable when Michael returned in Malaysia.

The three years at Jaguar Racing hardly points to great development skills either. Although I accept that there are other issues too!
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Old 24 Feb 2004, 19:54 (Ref:884394)   #58
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They pretty much froze development after Hockenheim though. The Ferrari dropped off then. New parts were brought in only at the Nurburgring, hardly continuous development you would expect from the Scuderia.
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Old 24 Feb 2004, 19:56 (Ref:884400)   #59
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I wouldn't say they made strides backwards, just no strides forwards. Ferrari, after all, did basically halt development for the first few weeks or so when they thought that the title was lost due to Michael being out of the title chase.
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Old 24 Feb 2004, 19:59 (Ref:884402)   #60
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McLaren meanwhile made massive strides forward......that's probably where the title was lost....Spa was just plain embarassing.
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Old 24 Feb 2004, 22:56 (Ref:884626)   #61
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We're all beating about the bush here arn't we? Ferrari/MS didn't really want EI to win the title did they? Could you really see MS settling for second place if it was HIS title at stake? There was no way Eddie was going to be world champion before Michael.
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Old 24 Feb 2004, 22:59 (Ref:884630)   #62
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I have to say that i agree with you graves. Imo, there was no way that they wanted a driver who they were paying £5 mill to win when the driver being paid £25 mill hadn't acheived it.
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Old 24 Feb 2004, 23:02 (Ref:884637)   #63
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I have to say that i agree with you graves. Imo, there was no way that they wanted a driver who they were paying £5 mill to win when the driver being paid £25 mill hadn't acheived it.


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Old 24 Feb 2004, 23:09 (Ref:884644)   #64
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I think EI was a reasonable, solid driver.

I'd rate him similarly to Coulthard or Panis.
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Old 24 Feb 2004, 23:18 (Ref:884659)   #65
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Another way to rate Eddie is through his input into the development of the race cars that ferrari produced. I think it was one of the key factors behind the signing of Eddie.In fact the guy was so quick in testing in the early days that his track time was cut back big time. I remember reading a funny interview on him in which he said he was the best paid holiday maker in ireland because of the lack of testing and all he had to do was turn up at the races once every two weeks and even at this the guy was still close to MS on the track. As i said before the guy was only doing what he was told not what he wanted for himself.
I remember this testing sham very well. Both MS and EI tested the V12 Ferrari (of which both Berger and Alesi had both moaned about constantly) and lapped Fiorano quicker than either Berger and Alesi. What happens to EI after that? See above.
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Old 25 Feb 2004, 08:41 (Ref:884937)   #66
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As I said before, what did he expect.......?


And I'm not convinced about the theory that Ferrari would rather lose a drivers championship than let their no.2 driver win it. If that really is true, they're a much sadder lot at Ferrari than I thought......
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Old 25 Feb 2004, 08:57 (Ref:884946)   #67
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And I'm not convinced about the theory that Ferrari would rather lose a drivers championship than let their no.2 driver win it. If that really is true, they're a much sadder lot at Ferrari than I thought......
I think Ferrari wanted to win it. Apart from anything else they could justify it as Michael would have won it for Irvine anyway (Malaysia: Michael drive fantastically to get Irvine that win. Suzuka: There wasn't a hope in hell that Irvine could have won it for himself).
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I wouldn't say they made strides backwards, just no strides forwards.
Exactly. Perhaps strides relatively backwards. Obviously I was not suggesting that the car got worse in itself.

I don't know the number of tests they had during Michael's break (excuse the pun), but Irvine should have pushed for more and tried to motivate that team like Michael did and does. Even if he did get them out there I think it was Michael's development skills are the thing that took Ferrari forward.

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Old 25 Feb 2004, 12:35 (Ref:885149)   #68
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No doubt about that IMO.
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Old 25 Feb 2004, 16:23 (Ref:885317)   #69
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I dont rate irvine!!!
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Old 25 Feb 2004, 18:36 (Ref:885414)   #71
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We're all beating about the bush here arn't we? Ferrari/MS didn't really want EI to win the title did they? Could you really see MS settling for second place if it was HIS title at stake? There was no way Eddie was going to be world champion before Michael.
You hit the nail on the head my friend thats why I say its hard to rate Eddie
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Old 25 Feb 2004, 19:06 (Ref:885437)   #72
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There's nothing different about this exchange of views about Eddie than many other F1 drivers, past and present. Leaving aside the obvious greats and the obvious also-rans/pay drivers etc., we will always have differences of opinion over drivers like Irvine. Personally, I think there's a lot of viewing of Eddie's F1 prowess through rose-tinted specs, but I realise others disagree and think he was much better than that.

By the way, Michael was a world champ long before Eddie had his chance.......
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Old 25 Feb 2004, 22:05 (Ref:885612)   #73
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I didn't use to rate him at all. I don't think he lived up to his outspoken comments, as he wasn't very good. True, it was a good performance to just miss the 1999 title, but I do think a better driver would have won it.
I was always saying this myself, but people were calling me cynical. I also noticed that 3 of his 4 1999 victories were achieved because too many cars retired (Australia) or because of the team orders (Hocki and Malaysia).
Besides, I cannot call a good driver someone who was basically Yogi Bear's Boo Boo in 1997.

Sorry, just my two cents.
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Old 25 Feb 2004, 23:22 (Ref:885686)   #74
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I rate Irvine gone, and good riddance!
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I was never a fan of Eddie - he used his brain too often and his brain not enough. However, he was a reasonable F1 driver, who was solid and who had a strong enough character to just get on with it at Ferrari, whatever was going on. Having said that, I think that there were a lot of drivers at the time who were better than him, including DC and Rubens. RB has been far more convincing as Schuey's team-mate, although it is fair to say that the quality of the Ferrari in recent years has probably helped him.

I think that four GP wins flatter him, especially as Alesi had only one and Martin Brundle didn't win any.
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