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Old 17 May 2020, 12:38 (Ref:3976751)   #496
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They only do what they are paid for! Prepare yourself to hear that the disposable masks are bad for the whales, pandas and koalas now!

In the UK some of the media outlets have been campaigning against "plastic" quite strongly. (For some it seems to be a case of whether the owners's wife adopts a particularly "green" stance for some reason.)

Now one of them has been running a campaign to collect money from its presumably less than bright readers to be spent, they tell us, on personal protection wear for health and care workers. (Nothing to do with boosting their own feel good and do good reputation at all - oh no.)

This has had the effect of using a lot of newsprint. Does no one think of the CO2 footprint and the loss of biomass?

Yesterday (iirc) there was a multiple page spread spouting about how they had extracted £7 million or some such number from their "readers" and spent it on getting a UK manufacturer to make a whole load of top quality PPE gowns.

All from beads of plastic used to make the material from which the (likely disposable only) protection layers are created.

I'm not sure whether the irony escaped them or whether there is feral group of journalists and editors in the ranks of the employees taking an opportunity to identify some of the benefits of "plastics" and the debenefits of trying to eliminate them totally and quickly.

If plastics are forced into oblivion there are many aspect of vehicles - electric or otherwise - that will somehow need to be rethought and perhaps return to the eras of all metal construction; which could be quite an expensive outcome with high associated energy consumption.

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Old 17 May 2020, 14:58 (Ref:3976760)   #497
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Many Carrefour have a "super diesel" I can recommend to you, John, its worth. Better mpg and better performance. I won't say the same about a comparable product found at Total gaz stationsÖ
I found this to be true at UK and Italian pumps for diesel.

Over a period of a few months, using premium diesel resulted in a reduction in overall cost of a few pence per mile - and the exhaust was cleaner.
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Old 17 May 2020, 15:34 (Ref:3976767)   #498
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Yay! I've actually had to put some petrol in my car for the first time for ages and it's <£1 per litre :-)
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Talking of replenishing energy, Tesla is about to pass the 5,000 Supercharger charging stalls total in Europe.

A German-owned Model S has clocked up 1-million kilometres in just over 5 years, demonstrating that the technology has reliability.
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Old 19 May 2020, 13:14 (Ref:3977145)   #500
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Talking of replenishing energy, Tesla is about to pass the 5,000 Supercharger charging stalls total in Europe.

A German-owned Model S has clocked up 1-million kilometres in just over 5 years, demonstrating that the technology has reliability.

I million K in 5 years odd .
That is over 300 miles every single day .
And 10 or 12 full charges every week which could only be done with high rate chargers .
And the 150,000 miles battery guarantee only covers if you do not do too many supercharger charges .
So how many sets of batteries has it had . £50,000 or £100,000 worth .


Or is the whole story just more of Autocars bovine scatology to try to promote EVs .
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I million K in 5 years odd .
That is over 300 miles every single day .
And 10 or 12 full charges every week which could only be done with high rate chargers .
And the 150,000 miles battery guarantee only covers if you do not do too many supercharger charges .
So how many sets of batteries has it had . £50,000 or £100,000 worth .


Or is the whole story just more of Autocars bovine scatology to try to promote EVs .
I know you appreciate a myth-busting version of a story.

Tesla Model S busts EV myths with historic 1 million kilometres driven
It has not been all smooth driving, however. Built in 2013, the Model S is now onto its second battery and fourth motor.

It has been the fourth motor that has held up to the pressure of what at times has been 1,000 kilometre drives for days at a time, covering 680,000km Ė more than two-thirds of the total 1 million kilometres.

Itís second battery Ė for which Gemmingen says in a Youtube video prior to the historic moment (shared below) he had to wait six months, driving with a loan battery until Tesla could replace it with a replacement battery Ė has covered half of the distance at 500,000km, Gemmingen says.




Tesla Model S reaches 1 million km milestone in historic 5-year-run
The Tesla Model S P85 driven by Gemmingen has experienced its own fair share of challenges on its way towards the 1 million km milestone. Over the course of five years, the vehicle had required a battery change at 470,000 km. Three electric motors were worn out over the journey as well. Fortunately, Gemmingen noted that most of these issues were covered by the Model Sí warranty, and thus, maintenance costs of the vehicle were still very little.
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I know you appreciate a myth-busting version of a story.

Tesla Model S busts EV myths with historic 1 million kilometres driven
It has not been all smooth driving, however. Built in 2013, the Model S is now onto its second battery and fourth motor.

It has been the fourth motor that has held up to the pressure of what at times has been 1,000 kilometre drives for days at a time, covering 680,000km Ė more than two-thirds of the total 1 million kilometres.

Itís second battery Ė for which Gemmingen says in a Youtube video prior to the historic moment (shared below) he had to wait six months, driving with a loan battery until Tesla could replace it with a replacement battery Ė has covered half of the distance at 500,000km, Gemmingen says.




Tesla Model S reaches 1 million km milestone in historic 5-year-run
The Tesla Model S P85 driven by Gemmingen has experienced its own fair share of challenges on its way towards the 1 million km milestone. Over the course of five years, the vehicle had required a battery change at 470,000 km. Three electric motors were worn out over the journey as well. Fortunately, Gemmingen noted that most of these issues were covered by the Model Sí warranty, and thus, maintenance costs of the vehicle were still very little.
As Tesla,s battery life Guarantee are only 8 years OR 150,000 miles , which ever comes first .
https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty
Then he has been very lucky to have tens of thousands of £ s worth
of replacements done for him .
Or this story is not quite true & is just another advertising blurb for Tesla & EVs
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I think 8 years is a good deal, itís not like itís taken over the world yet. Maybe that guy did get a good lot of repairs out of it. It might be only part true, I canít see anything suggesting itís just PR to be fair, as much as they need to advertise their product where they can
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Old 19 May 2020, 15:12 (Ref:3977169)   #504
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As Tesla,s battery life Guarantee are only 8 years OR 150,000 miles , which ever comes first .
https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty
Then he has been very lucky to have tens of thousands of £ s worth
of replacements done for him .
Or this story is not quite true & is just another advertising blurb for Tesla & EVs
In 2014, as part of their promotion, Tesla were offering infinite mileage warranties on batteries.
https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/blog/infinite-mile-warranty

Is it advertising blurb? Maybe. But then Tesla are not the first in the world to promote a vehicle that has covered an excessive amount of miles.

As to the validity - 'And bust myths he has now done, crossing the 1 million kilometre mark under the watchful eyes of a representative from the Guinness Book of Records to ascertain if the milestone moment does in fact constitute a first by one electric vehicle.'

The issues he experienced in the first few years were common faults across all Model S's.
The issues with the drive unit were all but eliminated when they modified the production line to robotic greasing as opposed to manual.
The second battery has covered 680,000 km. How many people buy a car today expecting to drive it for more than 300,000km over its entire life?
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That was all back then, I guess they needed something to promote something new. They needed to advertise in what is a tough market. They were up against proven products. But they are slowly getting there and they have that certificate to prove they have done something remarkable.

Tesla have done well against stiff competition. Of course as I said they havenít taken over the world yet, but theyíve found their own place in a ruthless car market
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GM has joined the list of manufacturers confident of developing batteries with a million mile life.
Also looking at EVs with 500-600 mile range.

https://cleantechnica.com/2020/05/23...00-mile-range/
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