WTCC FIA WTCR 2018: WTCC / TCR Merger? - Page 30

jsmee · 30 Mar 2018, 08:46 (Ref:3811866)

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Originally Posted by NaBUru38

There's not a single German driver. TCR is too pedestrian for them, I guess.

That obviously explains why TCR Germany has such a massive entry........

HopAlong · 30 Mar 2018, 14:12 (Ref:3811931)

Got to say its the first time since about 2010 that I have actually looked forward to a WTCC/WTCR season, but man it must be the worst looking grid ever livery wise.

Does anyone else think WTCR sounds like an American radio station.

luckn002 · 30 Mar 2018, 14:36 (Ref:3811934)

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Originally Posted by HopAlong

...but man it must be the worst looking grid ever livery wise.

Yep. Hyundai's especially.

NaBUru38 · 30 Mar 2018, 15:07 (Ref:3811940)

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Originally Posted by jsmee

That obviously explains why TCR Germany has such a massive entry........

TCR Germany doesn't have notable international drivers. They do DTM, ADAC GT Masters, FIA WEC and Blancpain GT.

Juntos · 30 Mar 2018, 15:54 (Ref:3811955)

TCR Germany is for underfunded drivers and wannabe racers. This is a strong statement, I know.

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Originally Posted by Bramzel

For the Alfa's that could very well be, for Yvan Muller Racing I expect some backing from Geely/Volvo.

I really can't see why the Chinese would invest on Hyundai's victory.

TR4racer · 30 Mar 2018, 16:55 (Ref:3811973)

[QUOTE=Juntos;3811955]TCR Germany is for underfunded drivers and wannabe racers. This is a strong statement, I know.

Wow, that is BIG statement. I can only assume that you have inside knowledge of all the drivers and teams to be able to make it.

Rubio · 30 Mar 2018, 17:50 (Ref:3811978)

A few interesting notes from WTCR Blog (or how is it called now):

http://hosszabbitas.hu/wtcc/fura-tes...as-wtcr-szezon

1) Pastor Maldonado should have been the 26th driver, but recieved a last-minute offer from WEC
2) BoP is not finalized yet
3) Success ballast for driver that was supposed to be run this year may be changes to compensation weight for manufacturers a.k.a WTCC style

GM10 · 30 Mar 2018, 18:05 (Ref:3811981)

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Originally Posted by Rubio

3) Success ballast for driver that was supposed to be run this year may be changes to compensation weight for manufacturers a.k.a WTCC style

Not good. There is a BoP actually, and it has to stay as it is.

Mark0994 · 30 Mar 2018, 18:27 (Ref:3811986)

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Originally Posted by GM10

Not good. There is a BoP actually, and it has to stay as it is.

Agree.

Mark0994 · 30 Mar 2018, 18:30 (Ref:3811987)

Interesting interview with Shedden (on Serbian)
http://www.serbiaring.com/vesti/sede...aj-postignuca/
Allan McNish was the guy who called Shedden and pushed him to become factory Audi driver
Also Shedden is saying that NGTC and TCR cars are 95% same and TCR cars price is half of NGTC car price.

Bramzel · 30 Mar 2018, 18:57 (Ref:3811997)

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Originally Posted by Juntos

I really can't see why the Chinese would invest on Hyundai's victory.

The Hyundai is seen as the best TCR car so what better car to run while you're developing your own car. Also, they'll want to retail Bjork and Muller. Finally, they're investing in race rythm for the team to run their own cars. I can't speak for Geely but those are 3 reasons why I'd do it

Rubio · 30 Mar 2018, 19:16 (Ref:3812004)

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Originally Posted by GM10

Not good. There is a BoP actually, and it has to stay as it is.

We will have to deal with success ballast in any way.. It's just a matter of system they use

I'm not particulary against any additional penalisation (but yeah, should have removed that) as long as it makes fair racing. And to be honest, compensation weight is more fair vs penalising particular driver, although ballast per driver leads to interesting championship battles and is simple to understand.

GM10 · 30 Mar 2018, 21:23 (Ref:3812030)

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Originally Posted by Rubio

We will have to deal with success ballast in any way.. It's just a matter of system they use

I'm not particulary against any additional penalisation (but yeah, should have removed that) as long as it makes fair racing. And to be honest, compensation weight is more fair vs penalising particular driver, although ballast per driver leads to interesting championship battles and is simple to understand.

Success ballast is a thing, compensation weight is another thing.

Compensation weight is the same thing as BoP, the only difference is the circuit-based (or the lap times-based) calculation. But the TCR category has a worldwide BoP, the compensation weight would be valid for the WTCR only. And it won't follow the TCR philosophy. I don't like it.

Compensation weight would be fair if the TCR BoP was calculated in a similar way as the Blancpain GT3 BoP.

S griffin · 31 Mar 2018, 09:07 (Ref:3812077)

The problem is didn't work in the old WTCC, if you have to have success ballast, it has to be a way that works fairly

BobJones · 31 Mar 2018, 10:30 (Ref:3812094)

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Originally Posted by Bramzel

The Hyundai is seen as the best TCR car so what better car to run while you're developing your own car. Also, they'll want to retail Bjork and Muller. Finally, they're investing in race rythm for the team to run their own cars. I can't speak for Geely but those are 3 reasons why I'd do it

I feel this is exactly what is happening. But, for me, if I were Hyundai I wouldn't have sold them the cars.

BobJones · 31 Mar 2018, 10:32 (Ref:3812095)

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Originally Posted by Rubio

2) BoP is not finalized yet

This will be why it was a race to the slowest time at the recent test. All seems a bit silly so far.

MissClarrpz · 2 Apr 2018, 18:22 (Ref:3812526)

https://www.touringcars.net/2018/04/...-local-talents

Ribeiro says there's going to be 2 locals at Hungary, Germany, Netherlands and Portugal. Any guesses who?

Hungary maybe Dániel Nagy and Attila Tassi, Germany I hope Sabine Schmitz but it might be Luca Engstler or René Münnich though Petr Ful�*n will race (is there a grid limit here?). Netherlands with Niels Langeveld and Jaap van Lagen or Nicky Catsburg would be good if they aren't busy. José Rodrigues and Manuel Fernandes have both wild carded in Vila Real a few times. Who knows.

Racing Harz · 2 Apr 2018, 18:50 (Ref:3812532)

Germany for sure Engstler and Leuchter.

Rubio · 2 Apr 2018, 19:11 (Ref:3812535)

As far as I heard, the won't be any limit at the Nordschleife, so theoretically more than 2 additional cars may enter.

Subject to confirmation, of course

Tarzaan · 3 Apr 2018, 08:36 (Ref:3812599)

According to hungarian sources Zengő Motorsport could have been race with KIA C'eed with some factory backup/support.

Tarzaan · 3 Apr 2018, 08:37 (Ref:3812601)

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Originally Posted by MissClarrpz

https://www.touringcars.net/2018/04/...-local-talents

Ribeiro says there's going to be 2 locals at Hungary, Germany, Netherlands and Portugal. Any guesses who?

Hungary maybe Dániel Nagy and Attila Tassi, Germany I hope Sabine Schmitz but it might be Luca Engstler or René Münnich though Petr Ful�*n will race (is there a grid limit here?). Netherlands with Niels Langeveld and Jaap van Lagen or Nicky Catsburg would be good if they aren't busy. José Rodrigues and Manuel Fernandes have both wild carded in Vila Real a few times. Who knows.

Originaly they plan with 26 regular drivers so imho there would be place for a 3rd wild card...

Juntos · 4 Apr 2018, 01:28 (Ref:3812716)

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Originally Posted by Tarzaan

According to hungarian sources Zengő Motorsport could have been race with KIA C'eed with some factory backup/support.

And why didn't they go?

Rubio · 5 Apr 2018, 13:15 (Ref:3812977)

Compensation weight for WTCR confirmed:

https://www.touringcartimes.com/2018...res-confirmed/

Tarzaan · 6 Apr 2018, 03:35 (Ref:3813139)

Just look at the picture in the article:

https://index.hu/mindekozben/poszt/2..._wtcr-futamra/

Cinghio44 · 6 Apr 2018, 12:50 (Ref:3813225)

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Originally Posted by Rubio

Compensation weight for WTCR confirmed:

https://www.touringcartimes.com/2018...res-confirmed/

I have the feeling that is too light for the Hyundai

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