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Old 7 Oct 2019, 11:40 (Ref:3932439)   #16
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In what way exactly has the quality suffered in the last 5 years? This has been a recurring comment throughout the life of the mag since the late Gregor Grant died.
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Old 7 Oct 2019, 12:06 (Ref:3932445)   #17
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In what way exactly has the quality suffered in the last 5 years? This has been a recurring comment throughout the life of the mag since the late Gregor Grant died.
As I've mentioned on here before, I finally cancelled my long-running subscription a while ago, not necessarily due to a decline in quality of the magazine, but due to repeatedly late delivery of the magazine. I often did not receive it until the following Monday, by which time I already knew all of the information the magazine would contain (and often more) thanks to this, and other websites. I have continued to subscribe in a digital only way, so can (currently) access their copy that way, but wonder if that will continue or not...
Sadly, in this modern age, printed paper is not the most efficient or timely way to obtain 'news' such as race reports and results, most of this information is relatively freely available on-line. I know tat Autosport magazine also included features and often archive articles, but that's not what I would buy a weekly magazine for anyway.
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Old 7 Oct 2019, 12:35 (Ref:3932453)   #18
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My brother is a subscriber, so I tend to read his secondhand copy.

My primary interest is of the club racing section at the back, and for a while in a minor capacity, was a freelance photographer for them.

Several years ago there was a reduction in coverage of UK club motorsport - previously they had a journalist and a photographer at all the circuit events and some hillclimbs/sprints. That coverage was reduced considerably, and its been reduced again with a good number of race meetings being ignored entirely.

The amount of space given to UK club news has also diminished quite a lot in recent times and the ratio of adverts to articles has increased in favour of adverts.

So, compared to a few seasons ago, its a fraction of its former self, and even the paper feels cheaper.

Motorsport magazine seems to be holding its own, and that's a monthly.
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Old 7 Oct 2019, 14:38 (Ref:3932481)   #19
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Don't forget the "green" lobby who want to cut down the use of paper.
Unfortunately, they don't take into account colossal amounts of energy needed for data centers today. And this amount rises almost in geometric progression.
Besides, written word is "heavier" than a digital one. It came from a trusted source and it can not be transformed into a 404 page. There're magazine's copies dated back to 1950's. But we have lots of sites with useful info that we closed last 10-15 years and almost all the files are lost.
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Old 7 Oct 2019, 16:25 (Ref:3932497)   #20
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Autosport has had its ups and downs over the last couple of years though. Some weeks I have flicked through it in about 2 minutes as there is so little content.

Its sad not only for the magazine but the people who work there.

I will miss the club section at the back because to me that was the best bit. You cant replicate that online.
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Old 7 Oct 2019, 17:14 (Ref:3932501)   #21
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"Such a shame it's going, it should be preserved. "

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Old 7 Oct 2019, 17:20 (Ref:3932504)   #22
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For clarity are we talking the loss of print, the magazine in digital form too, or everything including the website, show etc....
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Old 7 Oct 2019, 17:46 (Ref:3932511)   #23
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Old 7 Oct 2019, 17:48 (Ref:3932512)   #24
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Motorsport magazine seems to be holding its own, and that's a monthly.
Motor Sport magazine hasn't really covered that much motorsports for some time. There's little in the way of news or race reports and no results. It's more of 'lifestyle' magazine these days
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In what way exactly has the quality suffered in the last 5 years? This has been a recurring comment throughout the life of the mag since the late Gregor Grant died.

I actually think it has improved in the last five years - but it did have a helluva lot of lost ground to recover. I read it every week from about 1972 until the early noughties and whilst I had changed , it had changed even more. It had become an F1 fanzine, much of the copy was lazy speculation and the standard of writing was often painfully bad . It was never going to rival Shakespeare , but the cliche ridden text , which increasingly tried to ape American prose, was hard to read without sighing .

But I had started buying the odd copy again and I was pleased to see some more diversity in subject matter creeping in , and an awareness that motorsport history didn't start the week before last , and that F1 was not the only show in town . Obviously I missed the national coverage it used to have , and I found it frustrating to read opinion pieces by guys who had only been watching the sport for a few years , and how it showed ...

Marcus Pye's national column was excellent but that has been missing for some time, as has meaningful coverage of stuff like the speed hillclimb scene. But that just reflects the audience doesn't it ? Look at the 200 plus posts devoted to a shady sponsor in the F1 forum (who bloody cares ?) and contrast that with the desultory 23 marking Dan Gurney's death ...

Times change ,and so do we .

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Old 7 Oct 2019, 18:51 (Ref:3932523)   #26
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Motor Sport magazine hasn't really covered that much motorsports for some time. There's little in the way of news or race reports and no results. It's more of 'lifestyle' magazine these days
I disagree that it is a lifestyle magazine - it no longer has race reports and results but it is packed with excellent features and interviews about motorsport, as I would expect.
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Motor Sport magazine hasn't really covered that much motorsports for some time. There's little in the way of news or race reports and no results. It's more of 'lifestyle' magazine these days
It may not be reporting on many races these days, but Motorsport magazine has found itself a niche that has allowed it not just to survive but to flourish in the past few years, partly at the expense of Autosport, possibly due to the less hectic publishing schedule of having to assemble a magazine each week, allowing journalists more time to apply a little more polish to their articles.

I'll remember Autosport / MN with fondness, especially the first issue which had a byline / photocredit from me - copies of which tucked away safely for posterity.
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I Look at the 200 plus posts devoted to a shady sponsor in the F1 forum (who bloody cares ?) and contrast that with the desultory 23 marking Dan Gurney's death ...
As someone who contributed to the Rich Energy thread, but not the Gurney thread (i don't think) I believe you are missing an important nuance here.

The Dan Gurney passing is way more important to me. I have the Gurney bumper sticker.

However I am not inclined to post in that thread, I don't feel an affinity with the passing threads for various reasons. Something I've developed over the years. Even if I did I would have posted maybe once or twice.

The frivolous energy drink thread was a current topic and changing, so it would get more posts. Also it is frivolous. It is a different thing. As with journalism, there is a difference between quantity and quality.
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I'll remember Autosport / MN with fondness,
Same here. Back in the seventies, long before the internet became info central I used to religiously get Autosport / Motoring News everyThursday morning on my way to work, spending large amounts of time in the bathroom. Sometimes Dad would come home on the Wednesday night with an early copy he had got from somewhere near Waterloo Stn.

When I moved to Australia in 1983 my Birthday present every year was an airmail subscription to Autosport.... Thursday's edition would arrive always on a Monday morning. Then that got a bit beyond my Birthday present budget and stopped. Compounded by work that involved being away for much of the week and missing its arrival.

It was my only way at the time of catching up on UK clubbie news / results of categories I used to run in. Plus catch up on the international scene. Buying hard copies nowadays in something I only do at airports etc to help pass waiting time.

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