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Old 11 Nov 2019, 19:00 (Ref:3940000)   #16
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So what’s the rumours and predictions for next year?
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Old 13 Nov 2019, 09:49 (Ref:3940341)   #17
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It seemed highly unlikely, but latest article on Motorsport.com confirms that there definitely won't be a UK World RX round in 2020:

https://www.motorsport.com/world-rx/...T4vskfueOye9L4

Disappointing, but at least a return to the UK isn't ruled out.
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Old 13 Nov 2019, 12:38 (Ref:3940366)   #18
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The utter stupidity of a man like Bellamy beggars belief.

It was never economically viable because you scared so many people off with the prices you quoted, and you can see from this reply that he was not interested in fans, he wanted festival type people, no-one is going to go unless you give them exactly what you want, it was priced as a festival, not a race event, was a stupid idea from the start really. They need transport links, camping decently priced and better bands, they got a few of these things but not all, hence no-one one bothered.

I wonder why that might be eh Paul.

Fair play to Silverstone, they saw through it and made IMG hire the whole venue, they made their money, let them build in a place that would never affect the day to day running and lost nothing really.

Also, isn't losing Canada and COTA make this is a non world championship now?
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Old 13 Nov 2019, 13:24 (Ref:3940373)   #19
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Also, isn't losing Canada and COTA make this is a non world championship now?
Abu Dhabi, Europe, South Africa. 3 continents make a championship AUI.

It's a slap in the face to say that you need to get people through the gates to make an event like Speedmachine to work. Lydden got people through the gates* and was working, without all the sideshow. It seems that the bloke doesn't understand that rallycross is a great spectacle in itself, concentrate on that and the people will come.


*getting them back out through the gate is a bit more of an issue
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Old 13 Nov 2019, 13:33 (Ref:3940376)   #20
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Forgive the double post but, in a interview during the South Africa qualifying four coverage, they stated that the two TBA rounds for 2020 are one old venue and one new venue: Russia and Latvia?
Given the September date, Latvia would be my guess for the 'old' venue. New one? Well we know it won't be Spa, Barcelona, Silverstone, Nurburgring, COTA or Abu Dhabi. So that leaves:
Albert Park
Bahrain
Shanghai
Monaco
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Hungaroring
Monza
Singapore
Sochi
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Mexico City
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Think we can discount the flyaway races given what Bellamy said about Canada, and probably Monaco and any country with an existing round, so that leaves the F1 tracks of: Austria, Hungary, Russia, Italy.

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Old 13 Nov 2019, 15:20 (Ref:3940413)   #21
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The utter stupidity of a man like Bellamy beggars belief.

It was never economically viable because you scared so many people off with the prices you quoted, and you can see from this reply that he was not interested in fans, he wanted festival type people, no-one is going to go unless you give them exactly what you want, it was priced as a festival, not a race event, was a stupid idea from the start really. They need transport links, camping decently priced and better bands, they got a few of these things but not all, hence no-one one bothered.

I wonder why that might be eh Paul.
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It's a slap in the face to say that you need to get people through the gates to make an event like Speedmachine to work. Lydden got people through the gates and was working, without all the sideshow. It seems that the bloke doesn't understand that rallycross is a great spectacle in itself, concentrate on that and the people will come.
So to summarise - Paul Bellamy is surprised that Rallycross fans don't want to pay inflated prices for an event that includes lots of crap they're not interested in and music fans (or at least fans of the acts they booked) don't want to go to a one night event with a large motorsport element attached that's in the middle of nowhere.

A fairly basic lesson in "knowing your market" would have sorted that out pretty quickly. Unfortunately IMG aren't interested in existing rallycross fans - they want to push it to the yoof market (hence all the added crap to appeal to the young 'uns). The problem is they've alienated existing fans and haven't attracted enough new fans - so they've basically buggered the whole thing up.
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Old 13 Nov 2019, 22:51 (Ref:3940489)   #22
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Shame no British round, but there’ll be plenty of other things to keep us interested
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Old 13 Nov 2019, 23:49 (Ref:3940499)   #23
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I think if you read between the lines of the statement.

Bellamy was not at all interested in racing fans, he wanted car fans/families, and they also tried to appeal to the festival market, but also it seemed they had to hire the venue for the weekend, that must have cost tens of thousands, so that meant they could not get decent bands in, meaning it was unlikely to appeal to the festival types.

It does explain the high ticket prices initially, and the desperate prices later on.

As you say bert, a totally unresearched and very poorly thought out idea.

You would think a company with decades of experience in events would know that...
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Old 14 Nov 2019, 07:02 (Ref:3940519)   #24
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As the 2 TBC races are for super1600 also, they should be in Europe.
Could the september date be a stand alone event in Germany
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Old 14 Nov 2019, 10:44 (Ref:3940545)   #25
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I think if you read between the lines of the statement.

Bellamy was not at all interested in racing fans, he wanted car fans/families, and they also tried to appeal to the festival market, but also it seemed they had to hire the venue for the weekend, that must have cost tens of thousands, so that meant they could not get decent bands in, meaning it was unlikely to appeal to the festival types.

It does explain the high ticket prices initially, and the desperate prices later on.

As you say bert, a totally unresearched and very poorly thought out idea.

You would think a company with decades of experience in events would know that...
Indeed. He may not have wanted racing fans but he needs them. To entice families etc the sport needs to build, he can't turn it into a sensation over night.

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Old 15 Nov 2019, 16:00 (Ref:3940778)   #26
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I think we all knew from when it was first announced that speedmachine would not work especially when admission prices were advertised.
Things got worst for us race fans when firstly the circuit layout was so short and twisty with no chance of overtaking. Secondly it became clear after visiting the British round in March 2018 that unless you had a stand ticket you would see bugger all. That march round was actually well attended probably with first time spectators but unfortunately Silverstone were totally unprepared and disorganised on that day that it was unlikely many returned.
So rallycross/race fans were immediately put off attending so that leaves the festival crowd.

Well I admit I fall into that sector as well and I'm no spring chicken and neither are alot of festival goers. Most music festivals now gear themselves towards the family market,but not Speedmachine. Normally a festival will have more than 1 stage so you can usually find something on you like,not one stage with music of very limited appeal which when the sound failed consistently few seemed bothered. And generally at a festival you can sit on the grass if you don't want to stand, not a tarmac paddock! Neither does a few street food vendors make a festival as IMG seemed to believe. Also when you buy a festival ticket more often than not it includes your camping, not the extortionate add on prices they were asking

So what I'm saying is Speedmachine was never a music festival,and was never a good rallycross event with a track which drivers liked and a circuit with good viewing opportunities for all spectators. It seems that not only do IMG still not understand rallycross but also do not understand music festivals.
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Old 21 Nov 2019, 09:59 (Ref:3941907)   #27
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Confirmed that Latvia is taking the September date, so just the new track to be named.

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Old 21 Nov 2019, 10:04 (Ref:3941909)   #28
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Thinking about my list above, I used the old name of the Austria track but I guess being now called Red Bull Ring it's unlikely that a Monster series will go there

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Old 21 Nov 2019, 13:01 (Ref:3941923)   #29
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Russia would be interesting. Fingers crossed.
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Meanwhile, IMG and Stard will organize the Projekt E, a electric rallycross series, at five FIA WRX rounds: Spa-Francorchamps, Hell, TBC, Nürburgring and Latvia.
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