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19 Apr 2021, 11:37 (Ref:4046686) | #7951 | |
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Let’s just hope the new regulations introduced have learned from previous mistakes
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20 Apr 2021, 17:46 (Ref:4046922) | #7952 | ||
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What that guy said, extra weight meant extra power and screwed Jim's first planned engine. Although the new one isn't bad having an Alfa badge back would have been cooler. What, you mean the stream of (semi)consciousness that is Tenths doesn't count as a written record?? |
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21 Apr 2021, 09:49 (Ref:4047038) | #7953 | ||
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I don't understand the ACO's obsession with this 3:30 laptime at Lemans. Why not just allow the hypercar and LMDh cars to have another 30-50bhp over the LMP2 cars and have done with it. Why the need to slow down LMP2?
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21 Apr 2021, 10:48 (Ref:4047049) | #7954 | |
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Because they don't want faster cars?
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21 Apr 2021, 12:13 (Ref:4047075) | #7955 | ||
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Because is a "theorical" delta that should give a certain stability about future sustainability and performance wise. ACO 3:30 is a way to try to prevent manufacturers getting 2-3s faster a year (or even 5-6s as happened in 2014 to 2015). It's basically a way to prevent manufacturers spending crazy budget a year that usually leads to withdraw from the competition once expenses get unsustainable as recent history tells us. |
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22 Apr 2021, 06:25 (Ref:4047216) | #7956 | |
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Sorry for off topic.
However, Toyota had used Super Taikyu race for racing hybrid system development before. Is the era of hydrogen engine coming now? Toyota Developing Hydrogen Engine Technologies Through Motorsports https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/co.../35209996.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0yM5RlD7Zo Last edited by Japanese Samurai; 22 Apr 2021 at 06:36. |
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22 Apr 2021, 09:42 (Ref:4047249) | #7958 | ||
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To keep everythink sustainable, after homologation each LMH will have frozen specs up to 2024 (or 2025? can't remember exactly now). So none will be able to update their cars during the years or bring a basically fresh new car as porsche did in 2015 and 2017. Bop will be likely used to keep everyone in the same performance window. Is hard speculate a LM timelap, if LMH will reveal to be slightly faster than 2017-2020 lmp2, is possible to expect a best absolute time in 3.24-3.25 maybe, with a 1 or 2s improvement by 2022 because of a better overall set-up and tires usage know how. |
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24 Apr 2021, 03:21 (Ref:4047618) | #7959 | ||
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If the lap time isn’t 3:24.7 I will be very angry and it will just show the ACO has got it all wrong. It’s a joke.
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24 Apr 2021, 13:24 (Ref:4047664) | #7960 | ||
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Consider that crazy 3.14-3.16 were achieved by toyota and SMP/rebellion in recent editions mainly because those cars could run flaout through porsche sector, considering the extra weight and the huge downforce loss, LMH will be far from reaching that insane speed in those turns again |
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25 Apr 2021, 11:14 (Ref:4047768) | #7961 | ||
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While we may lose a chunk of speed and lose the 'wow' factor of those LMP1 spaceships look like they are on rails through the final sector, we will see cars squirm a lot more. It was nice to see the GR 10's rear end fly about through Paul Ricard. As with any major rule change, you lose something, you gain something.
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26 Apr 2021, 20:58 (Ref:4048000) | #7962 | |
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Im not worried about 3:30 or whatever timed lap but more about the classes being too close. That doesnt just hurt the racing between classes, imo it brings about the question of having different classes in the first place. Lmp2 just as fast as 'hypercar'. Then they slow p2 again and GTE is just as fast as p2. Its a problem theyre creating they just fixed a few years ago.
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26 Apr 2021, 22:19 (Ref:4048008) | #7963 | ||
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I’ve no problem with overlap in the classes. It’s endurance racing and I’m happy for them to be mixed up, often has been the case.
Of course, the argument to keep the classes separate is to keep the fighting within the class and not have others getting in the way of the battle. Doesn’t bother me too much either way I suppose. I hope the ACO don’t mess too much and allow the gaps between classes to close. |
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14 Aug 2021, 21:08 (Ref:4066728) | #7964 | |||
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EI had a mention of the Hydrogen Proto class in their test day notes today:
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15 Aug 2021, 17:33 (Ref:4066881) | #7965 | ||
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And only 2 seconds off what the fastest LMH cars can do when the LMP2 has a pro driver in it. It could be like 2017 again where it's not inconceivable that a LMP2 can win with some luck on their side.
IMO, that could discredit the LMH class, but the ACO made their bed with that, and now they have to lay in it. |
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15 Aug 2021, 17:36 (Ref:4066882) | #7966 | ||
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I don't see it as a discredit as such, perhaps a slight embarrassment if it happens. This is the first year of Hypercars and the supposedly big players (in addition to Toyota) are yet to arrive.
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15 Aug 2021, 18:03 (Ref:4066891) | #7967 | ||
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Yes, it is fine. In fact I’ll go as far as to say it is good.
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19 Aug 2021, 03:31 (Ref:4067644) | #7968 | |
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Good for the show maybe, but imo not good for the future manufacturers looking to enter with their money towards a hypercar program. I think it's sad that they have to do this extra work and investment to barely be faster than a 'cheap' lmp2. That might make for more complaining and that's something that I don't want to see more of.
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19 Aug 2021, 06:47 (Ref:4067653) | #7970 | ||
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The incoming manufacturers will have been reassured that the next generation of LMP2s will weigh 80kg (or whatever) more to bring them up to Hypercar base weight.
No idea of next gen engine spec. A further detuned Gibson V8 to keep it simple? A smaller V6, maybe the Mecachrome F3/F2 engine? Next gen LMP2 will be slow enough. Sure, a bit awkward for the next couple of years but that just keeps the top class on its toes. It is a shame that the cars have got so heavy though. Not a great message from an efficiency or sustainability point of view. But, ironically, they probably need to be heavy to be slow enough for the hydrogen cars to keep up. |
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19 Aug 2021, 08:06 (Ref:4067662) | #7971 | ||
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since lmp2 isn't about fuel efficiency or else, I hope they would stick with gibson v8 which revealed to be a cheap enough an extremely reliable engine. Anyway considring lmdh lmp2 based chassis will have similiar (if not same) lenght and wheelbase size of LMH, is legit to expect a min.weight >1030kg for next gen lmp2 as well. PS. mecachrome f2 engine is crap. None else noticed that when ACO proposes big regs changes, it actually anticipates a world catastrophe? 2008 lmp evo -> global recession 2019 LMH finalized specs -> covid 19 |
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19 Aug 2021, 08:35 (Ref:4067668) | #7972 | ||
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As Ginetta discovered. A shame, it sounded beautiful in turbo form.
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19 Aug 2021, 10:38 (Ref:4067680) | #7974 | ||
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I think "any time ACO proposes road car looks based regs" would be more correct. |
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