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Old 21 Feb 2010, 09:58 (Ref:2637532)   #61
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It still doesnt change the fact that it's the completely wrong approach if you ever want ETCC to actually work.
In an ideal world perhaps, but in practice it's not that simple.

If national series take little or no notice of the WTCC schedule, which clearly is (or should be) higher in the pecking order, then why should take notice of the ETCC schedule. You occasionally is a local team guesting in the WTCC but how often do you see a WTCC guesting at a national event. Off the top of my head I can't think of a single example. As I've said before there's nothing to be gained from working with the ETCC and nothing to be lost from ignoring it - in that situation simple ignoring it is the less complicated option.

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The carrot for the teams should be decent prize money, the carrot for the national championships... donno, perhaps to host an ETCC event the next year?
The revenue from hosting an ETCC event would go to the circuit, not the national championship organisers, so not much of a carrot.

We've been saying this ever year, just organising one end-of-season event that doesn't clash with at least one local championship is hard enough, organising four mid-season events that don't clash is near enough impossible.
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Old 21 Feb 2010, 10:04 (Ref:2637533)   #62
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Just going back to the possible combined races at Oschersleben. As I recall Procar uses control Dunlop tyres, ETCC I assume will use control Advans. If it's a combined race then you can't be legal, and therefore score points, for both championship.

A combined WTCC/ETCC grid would work.
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Old 21 Feb 2010, 12:09 (Ref:2637616)   #63
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In an ideal world perhaps, but in practice it's not that simple.

If national series take little or no notice of the WTCC schedule, which clearly is (or should be) higher in the pecking order, then why should take notice of the ETCC schedule.
Team&driver setups usually don't compete in BOTH full season WTCC and national-TCC, so overlap or not is not strictly relevant. But the entire point of ETCC is for national top teams to participate ALSO in ETCC. That makes a big difference.

And here, not only does the ETCC moved date conflict with just national championships, but it also *ucks up the multinational NezCup. And NezCup + ETCC I see as a very interesting combo for a team that are looking for expanding from national to a more European focus (incl sponsors).

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The revenue from hosting an ETCC event would go to the circuit, not the national championship organisers, so not much of a carrot.
Surely that depends on what agreements & contracts that are made...
In any case, that was just 1 potential carrot that could be offered.
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Old 21 Feb 2010, 12:14 (Ref:2637620)   #64
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A combined WTCC/ETCC grid would work.
S1600 etc cars on a WTCC grid? I surely hope not.
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Old 21 Feb 2010, 17:51 (Ref:2637771)   #65
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So, it's more important to have 5-6 S2000 cars from Germany than possible entries from BTCC/STCC/DTC? I think it's a fantastic example on how FIA acts, where money and politics have higher value than actually host a good championship. And still FIA wonder what they do wrong... They shoot themself in the foot constantly. It looked ok before this change.

I agree to some extent with Redshoes. When they can't attract good competition in one single event, how can they run an entire 4-race championship/cup alongside the national championships and WTCC? Especially when the global finances looks like this. But aren't teams and drivers allowed to miss one round of the ETCC? I think I've read something about it.
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Old 22 Feb 2010, 17:47 (Ref:2638419)   #66
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So, it's more important to have 5-6 S2000 cars from Germany than possible entries from BTCC/STCC/DTC? I think it's a fantastic example on how FIA acts, where money and politics have higher value than actually host a good championship. And still FIA wonder what they do wrong... They shoot themself in the foot constantly. It looked ok before this change.
It's not the FIA's fault. The WTCC & the ETCC are manged and promoted by Eurosport events.

They pay the FIA a fee for the right to use the FIA titles and to organise the series. Just the same as Bernie does with F1, or SRO does with GT or ISC does with the WRC etc. They are the ones who actually decide where and when their events take place, not the FIA.
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Old 5 Mar 2010, 10:31 (Ref:2645404)   #67
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4 races are cut down to 3 now. The event that collided with STCC/DTC has now been cancelled and ETCC now consist of 3 events.

STCC AB and the DTC organisation have talked to FIA and it gave results. They didn't want teams to chose what championship to race in, and now they can compete in both ScandTCC and ETCC.
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Old 5 Mar 2010, 12:47 (Ref:2645479)   #68
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Sanity prevailed.

Even though three races is a little dire... probably impossible, but with the cancellation of the FIA GT2-Series there should be an open slot on the Nürburgring FIA-GT-programme one week before Oschersleben. It would be way cool if they could jump aboard there, but with the history between SRO and KSO I don't think this will happen.
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Old 7 Mar 2010, 17:00 (Ref:2646716)   #69
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I think we are all agreed that we are never going to get 4 weekends that don't clash with at least one national series. Maybe the solution to this is dropped scores - allow the drivers to only count their best 6 of 8 races (or 3 of meetings).

That should help ease the scheduling headaches and possibly even increase the number of entries since teams would need to only need to budget for 3 rather than 4 meetings.
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Old 7 Mar 2010, 21:32 (Ref:2646988)   #70
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Franciacorta looks like another start/stop Mickey Mouse track.
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Old 17 Mar 2010, 16:36 (Ref:2654302)   #71
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Tomas Engström joins James Thompson in ETCC:

http://www.touringcartimes.com/article.php?id=4518
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Old 21 Mar 2010, 14:26 (Ref:2657187)   #72
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well, it is almost upon next weekend but i better warn everyone who is planning to watch this. Motorbikes permitting (i think that the 1st time i said that) you will see Race 1 at 4.30pm & race 2 at 5.00pm both BST (add a hour in CET)
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Old 21 Mar 2010, 18:23 (Ref:2657318)   #74
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What a joke. Completely unnecessary series.
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Old 21 Mar 2010, 18:31 (Ref:2657330)   #75
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Nice feild there... will be a craker to watch. Werent the Flash cars supposed to be there Meissner?
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