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Their primary rivals in the class were a horde of Alfetta GTV's, who had used a different brand of tyre, which was much superior. DTV were reluctent to change to the good tyres, which were offered to them, due to their tyre contract, but after alot of wheeling and dealing the DTV Magnum changed tyre brands and Brock and Marshall wound up second outright and first in class. There are many holes in that, i'll have to go and have a proper look, but hopefully someone has a better knowledge of it all The favour of Brock driving the DTV Magnum at Spa (he was invited to race with them again in England later that year wasn't he?) was returned when Gerry came out to Bathurst later that year to partner South African Basil Van Rooyan as part of the 3-car Brock/Bill Patterson Racing assault. I can see a case for Grice and Moffat making it in there, but i can also see why not. Grice's international career lasted effectively 1986 until 1989 in Touring Cars, with 1986 and 1988 only being dedicated assaults on the ETCC. In 1987 his teamed an ATCC assault with racing NASCAR in the Coca Cola World 600 at Charlotte, and an outing in a factory BMW M3 at Spa in the 24 Hours partnering Roberto Moreno and Willy Siller. In 1989 he raced sporadically in, among other places, Australia, the USA and Japan. As for Moffat, his only oversea's foray's with Touring Cars were in 1986 with Brock, 1987 with the Rothmans VL, plus outings at the Fuji 500 in Japan in 1989 with Klaus Neidzweidz in the Eggenberger Sierra. He did win Macau one year in his Group 2 Capri RS3100, but in Australia that was used as a Sports Sedan. He may have taken the Mazda to Macau one year as well from memory? Any of his previous exploits had been in Trans-Am in America and Sportscars, like his runs in the Le Mans 24 Hours. He took his Group C Mazda RX7 to Daytona for the 24 Hours in 1985, but that is classed as a Sportscar race, not a Touring Car race |
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Quick correction time - Moffat won at Macau in 1973 in a Team Harper Ford Capri RS2600, not his RS3100 he used to win the Australian Sports Sedan Championship in 1976
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cavvy moff took over Ronnie Petersons seat in the IMSA Batmobile after his death I think it was a 24 hour race Daytona or sebring 12. They didnt have time to put his name on the side of the car.
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my top 20 ever
in no order Peter Brock Alan Menu John Cleland Jim Richards Bernd Schneider Rickard Rydell Paul Radisich Craig Lowndes Greg Murphy Yvan Muller Jason Plato Andy Priaulx “Smoking” Jo Wincolhok Frank Bella Will Hoy Larry Perkins Alan Grice Win Percy Mark Skaife James Thompson |
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A European created list will generally place more importance on drivers they encounter everyday and can easily compare the achievements between. Conversely, an Australian created list could/would tend to look upon the local talent alot more favourably. Each to their own (market) Personally, I think the one done by Motorsport is pretty spot on Last edited by mitchie; 6 Feb 2005 at 13:27. Reason: vital piece of farm was lost in an evidence |
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your spot on but it was just done on drivers i've seen
and been a aussie it of course will have more drivers that have driven in australia mainly in the v8's |
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Not knocking your list at all, but it's interesting that the #1 Steve Soper isn't there. As someone above stated, it really goes on what races the judges have seen. |
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"It was dry for the second go-around. Grice, nervous, worrying about his Bathurst jinx, ran 2:25.9. The amazing Brock, using every last centimetre of bitumen, yet keeping the car straight and balanced and at full noise, came back with a staggering 2:20.0 as if to say: "Match that". And people just shook their heads, bit their lips and wondered who would be second". RIP Peter Brock. 1945-2006 |
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Two Australians in the list? I'm pretty sure I saw Brian "Yogi" Muir there...
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Its a pretty big call to say 25% of the world's best tin top drivers are Australian, and 15% are Kiwis!!!!!!!
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I'd have thought Moff and/or Gricey would have been there somewhere. I'm surprised Steve Soper rated #1, and also surprised a European mag rated Brock #2!
Couple of names there I don't know, but then I can't say I've seen all the European racing so I can't comment on whether they should have been there or not. It'd be interesting to see who would have made the next 20 or 30 names on the list. |
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if your all having a go at mine try your own top 20 list then
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One man who i thought would have been much higher was Roberto Ravaglia.
6 championships in 6 years obviously wasn't good enough for any better than 7th place, and considering that his 1986 and 1988 European Title's, along with his 1987 World Championship win and the 1989 DTM title, were at that time THE best Touring Car championships in the world, and apart from his win in the 'parity driven' DTM of 1989, he won the other title's in what were basically inferior cars. Was still competitive until his too early retirement at the end of 1997 at the age of only 41. |
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What about Graeme Crosby? Bikes and Cars!!
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Crosby was impressive in the Commodore in 1986, but apart from the first 2 rounds in 1987, didn't enter another ATCC round again. Ran at Bathurst and the Nissan-Mobil Series races for a while, but for whatever reason he never followed up on that promise-filled first year. Not enough car racing to have a chance.
He was a natural on the Racecam too, at Lakeside in 1986 he was sliding around on his well worn tyres (about 10 laps into the race!), chatting on the Racecam to Raymond, Crompton and Wilkinson with everyone behind lining up for their turn to pass him...... |
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The same magazine judged Peter Brock 11th or 12th in the greatest Motorsports Driver of ALL TIME (Not just Tin Top) back in 2001.
I'm guessing the judges/writers have a good sound knowledge base of world motorsports, as they have included alot of outside of Brit stuff in past lists. I'm a child of the 90's, but I feel that Moff, one of the Geoghans, and possibly DJ should have got a mention in there, but appart from that, the list is pretty good. |
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Well seeing as V8Suoercar is considered one of the toughest if not the toughest touring car category at the moment, then the stars of the last few years shoud be in there- Ambrose, Skaife, Lowndes
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Perhaps also add John Bowe- been around for an awfully long time (sorry John), won a lot of races, one ATCC and two Bathursts!
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Ambrose and Lowndes are only newcomers to the whole thing though, most of the guys on the list earned their spots through decades of hard competition, that pair haven't even been around a decade.
Skaife and Bowe are aknowledged good drivers, but their international touring car exploits against the best in the world amount to the 1987 James Hardie, a few Wellington 500/Nissan-Mobil Series plus an occasional overseas jaunt (Skaife to Monza and Macau, Bowe to Silverstone) Nowhere near enough to make the list, considering it is a European publication. |
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When Dick Johnson took the Sierra over to England to run it he was blitzing them until he had to retire. I think he should have been on the list.
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