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Old 9 Apr 2019, 04:41 (Ref:3896356)   #3451
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Isn't that what F1 is, among other things, about? Over 40 years ago people were bolting fans to the back of the cars just because it never said in the rules that was forbidden
It was an engine cooling fan you see.
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Old 18 Apr 2019, 11:06 (Ref:3898372)   #3452
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Nice little bit of miss direction from Ross Brawn saying that we should not experience a similar level domination by Mercedes in this years' championship after Mercedes wins the first three races as Williams displayed in 1992 after it won the first three races of that season.

Would it be uncharitable to point out to Mr Brawn that similar domination to Williams levels in 1992 should be a relief following Mercedes' hybrid era form.

1992 Williams won 62% of the races and Mansell won 56% of the races.

2014 Mercedes won 84% of the GPs
2015 Mercedes won 84% of the GPs
2016 Mercedes won 90% of the GPs
2017 Mercedes won 60% of the GPs
2018 Mercedes won 52% of the GPs.

Are we trying to get out of pushing through meaningful rule change responsibility Mr Brawn?

http://www.f1reader.com/#/news/no-fe...r-brawn-221562


Mercedes has won over 74% of the hybrid era GPs. Mansell won 56%(9/16) of the GPs in 1992, Lewis has won 51% (53/103) of the GPs in the last 5 years!

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Old 18 Apr 2019, 11:44 (Ref:3898375)   #3453
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Well I don't know what Ross is supposed to be achieving here, but that said I think it's early days to say Merc are dominating. Really Williams were lucky they had Mansell in their car in 92

I agree it was probably closer in 92, although it can all change these days

Williams won because they had the best car and Mansell was the best driver that season

2014 Merc clearly had the best car and they almost let it slip. 2015 it was all them. 2016 they managed to keep that dominance somehow. 2017 cracks were starting to show and they got a bit lucky in 2018

Really I'm surprised Merc have managed to stay on top, but that's the way teams can take advantage of slip ups from others. Lewis is lucky he has had such a good car the past few seasons
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Old 18 Apr 2019, 14:49 (Ref:3898413)   #3454
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Well I don't know what Ross is supposed to be achieving here..
have to agree with this. short of going over to command the Ferrari pit wall again, im not sure what else Brawn can do to make things less of a one man/team show at the sharp end.

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Old 18 Apr 2019, 17:06 (Ref:3898439)   #3455
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loon should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridloon should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
just let merc run 20 cars and all problems are gone
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Old 18 Apr 2019, 23:43 (Ref:3898482)   #3456
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Donít suppose they would be too keen on that and nor will the other teams
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Old 19 Apr 2019, 00:13 (Ref:3898499)   #3457
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Nice little bit of miss direction from Ross Brawn saying that we should not experience a similar level domination by Mercedes in this years' championship after Mercedes wins the first three races as Williams displayed in 1992 after it won the first three races of that season.

Would it be uncharitable to point out to Mr Brawn that similar domination to Williams levels in 1992 should be a relief following Mercedes' hybrid era form.

1992 Williams won 62% of the races and Mansell won 56% of the races.

2014 Mercedes won 84% of the GPs
2015 Mercedes won 84% of the GPs
2016 Mercedes won 90% of the GPs
2017 Mercedes won 60% of the GPs
2018 Mercedes won 52% of the GPs.

Are we trying to get out of pushing through meaningful rule change responsibility Mr Brawn?

http://www.f1reader.com/#/news/no-fe...r-brawn-221562


Mercedes has won over 74% of the hybrid era GPs. Mansell won 56%(9/16) of the GPs in 1992, Lewis has won 51% (53/103) of the GPs in the last 5 years!
Those stats don’t demonstrate the whole picture either. I suppose neither naratives are served in the article and then the stats!

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/35143...s-in-1992.html
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"It was down to a superior technical package in the era of active suspension, to the extent that Mansell brought home a further two wins before Ayrton Senna delivered one of his trademark miracle performances in Monaco, which momentarily interrupted an incredible run of wins," Brawn said in F1's official weekend debrief.

"However, despite the statistics being racked up by Mercedes, I don't believe that 2019 will follow the same script as '92. The three consecutive one-two finishes scored by Lewis Hamilton and Valtteri Bottas are definitely down to a team that is operating to perfection at the moment, with a top-notch technical package, but it's also fair to say it is up against stronger opposition that was Williams back in '92."
The domination in 1992 and the recent Mercedes domination are very different. 1992 Williams were much more dominant in pure speed. Recent Merc domination has come with almost bullet proof reliability and consistency, but much less of a speed advantage. In 1992 the six lost races were down to reliability, tyre problems and crashes. So from that point of view Brawn is right.

In the British GP Mansell was 2.7s quicker than the first non-Williams car of Senna! I very much doubt that we shall see that kind of domination this year.

I do however think that Mercedes will continue to be relentless and could well score another high proportion of wins to fuel your win ratio statistic. It is indeed domination.

As to why he said it? I don’t think Brawn penned it with some great ulterior motive and was desperate to try and make something fit his narrative. There was a stat that matches 1992 so worth a bit of history. He has to say something for the weekend brief I guess.

He’s added something that is way more relevant to the dominate again thread
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Old 19 Apr 2019, 00:20 (Ref:3898503)   #3458
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Well stats are useful. But there are slight differences between 92 and now. In 92 Williams had the best car and a fired up Nigel. Merc are up there because they make fewer mistakes. In 92 reliability is not what it is now and Merc are masters of it
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Donít suppose they would be too keen on that and nor will the other teams
you don't say !!
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Somehow, I just don't think it's going to happen (and nor did loon.....)
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Old 19 Apr 2019, 14:47 (Ref:3898591)   #3463
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Mercedes has won over 74% of the hybrid era GPs.
What's the problem with that?

Mercedes are the best, so they deserve to win. They spent the money at the right time, on the right things, and deserve to reap the rewards of that.

I say that as a Red Bull fan who is cross with Mercedes for not supplying "Aston Martin" engines to Red Bull, but also a Honda fan who is delighted Honda ended up with Red Bull instead.

Five exquisite Mercedes Performance Powertrain F1 power units, 2014-2018.... wonderful stuff, don't you think? Truly the "best or nothing" as Mercedes proudly advertise!
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