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Old 13 Apr 2019, 21:11 (Ref:3897287)   #286
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TCT would have probably gained less schtick from the support it's gained in BTCC over the years but the true club race fan isn't blind to the fact that this was two championships that were never going to get capacity fields taking a bite out the same minuscule cherry. TCT was formed in part because Stewart wasn't happy with TCR, he's said that somewhere before.

It's worth noting that TCR UK has also repeatedly made a fool of itself online on it's social media pages, most particularly Twitter, by sending out snappy responses to some people and outright banning ex-fans from it's pages after its calendar was announced last year. I pray whoever was behind that hasn't had their job transferred over to the new partnership, because it reeks of unprofessionalism. That's not a good look in your first year. It did attract the usual BTCC bashers, but there's also valid reasons as to why TCR UK got the criticism it did.
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Old 14 Apr 2019, 15:24 (Ref:3897452)   #287
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Motorsport in general is suffering from a lack of youngsters being attracted to spectating and to a lesser degree partaking.
It's a complex issue. Sim racing is expanding in leaps and bounds with more and more people taking part. Some say it's costs, some say it's because of social interaction issues. Times are a changing for sure.
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Old 14 Apr 2019, 22:47 (Ref:3897533)   #288
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Anyone know what the differences in costs are between top level Sim racing, and say club level actual racing?
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Old 15 Apr 2019, 07:26 (Ref:3897591)   #289
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Anyone know what the differences in costs are between top level Sim racing, and say club level actual racing?
SIM racing will always be cheaper.

My costs this year so far

5k for a car
1k to get it ready to race
£500 testing fees
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£325 first race entry fees
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Old 15 Apr 2019, 08:17 (Ref:3897600)   #290
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The thing I always wonder about, is the constant need to update the hardware, when it comes to Sim racing.
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Old 15 Apr 2019, 09:33 (Ref:3897607)   #291
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The thing I always wonder about, is the constant need to update the hardware, when it comes to Sim racing.
That's not going to match the costs of race meetings - entry fee, fuel, getting to and from the event, overnight stays (if needed). Each event is going to be about £1000 (at least - easy to spend more!).
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Old 15 Apr 2019, 11:33 (Ref:3897624)   #292
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Well I'm sure they can figure out a reasonable cost. It depends what you pay for and what the series pays for. That said series can be done a reasonable price
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Old 15 Apr 2019, 15:12 (Ref:3897683)   #293
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I feel itís a shame the series wasnít sustainable. They could have made it work. It had so much potential
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Old 16 Apr 2019, 17:48 (Ref:3898055)   #294
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Anyone know what the differences in costs are between top level Sim racing, and say club level actual racing?
Depends what you classify as club racing. Sometimes you can get really lucky like I have and pick up a race car for under £1000, but then you've got race entry costs, safety updates etc. But that's for racing on proper full tarmac tracks.

If you really want to go club racing and don't care what it is, where it is or whether you'll win or not then go to Autograss. You can pick up a Class 1 Autograss car for £500 most days.
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Old 18 Apr 2019, 23:09 (Ref:3898459)   #295
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Club racing is for pro ams usually. But some are more expensive than others as you say

Autograss though is a completely different and is a proper run what you bring event
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Depends what you classify as club racing. Sometimes you can get really lucky like I have and pick up a race car for under £1000, but then you've got race entry costs, safety updates etc. But that's for racing on proper full tarmac tracks.

If you really want to go club racing and don't care what it is, where it is or whether you'll win or not then go to Autograss. You can pick up a Class 1 Autograss car for £500 most days.
Give over. Were talking about circuit racing...not driving around in muddy circles. Autograss is a kin to rally cross not club circuit level racing.
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Old 19 Apr 2019, 14:40 (Ref:3898590)   #297
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The thing I always wonder about, is the constant need to update the hardware, when it comes to Sim racing.
I use to sim race in organised leagues between 2012-2018. My equipment was alright for the purpose then but its explosion in popularity in the last couple of years has driven up prices in my eyes. I rarely participate now as i don't believe i have the equipment to compete. I cannot afford a rig or have space for one, or the costs of a £1000+ wheel let alone the cost of upgrading my PC especially with all the other life costs.
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Old 19 Apr 2019, 20:15 (Ref:3898649)   #298
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Give over. Were talking about circuit racing...not driving around in muddy circles. Autograss is a kin to rally cross not club circuit level racing.
Wow. Don't really know where to start with this.
Have you been to an Autograss meeting recently? Some of those cars are hugely expensive and very impressive pieces of engineering. Also rallycross can be anything from relatively stock cars all the way up to Group B cars and the supercars - which are impressive bits of kit in anyone's book.

No different to circuit racing - you can spend a little or a lot depending on your budget. I don't really understand why you seem to think that circuit racing is a superior discipline?
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Old 19 Apr 2019, 21:14 (Ref:3898661)   #299
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Give over. Were talking about circuit racing...not driving around in muddy circles. Autograss is a kin to rally cross not club circuit level racing.
Pretty harsh on autograss there! I'm always surprised by the level of ignorance from circuit racing crowds towards the oval racing world. Both autograss and stock car racing exhibit some seriously impressive levels of engineering and driving talent, and indeed most of the time more exciting racing to watch to boot.
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Give over. Were talking about circuit racing...not driving around in muddy circles. Autograss is a kin to rally cross not club circuit level racing.
You're right it's not the same, it's far cheaper, far less complicated, usually better for spectators and not overflowing with duplicate championships over saturating its market. So I'd dare say it's better in a lot of places.

Just remember that several of your current BTCC drivers started in 'muddy circles', most notably Mr Turkington, so it's not like you can't make something of yourself. There's a lot the club circuit scene could learn from the oval folk.
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