BTCC BTCC 2019 - Brands Hatch GP - FINALE - Page 3

psq43 · 4 Oct 2019, 14:45 (Ref:3931913)

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Originally Posted by billy bleach

Are you not thinking of Arena / Team AON?

They were a little more blatant, putting a much intercepted radio instruction out. Twice

**touringlegend** · 4 Oct 2019, 17:49 (Ref:3931943)

I have split off the discussion regarding 2015 into a separate thread.. please feel free to continue there 😄

https://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=154509

Evantra · 4 Oct 2019, 18:25 (Ref:3931950)

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Originally Posted by touringlegend

I have split off the discussion regarding 2015 into a separate thread.. please feel free to continue there 😄

https://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=154509

Thank you! 🙌🏼

MrsDoubtfire · 4 Oct 2019, 20:01 (Ref:3931976)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

But what a strong message it would send to any other driver thinking of joining WSR.

It would clearly show that no driver is bigger than the team, and that egos get you nowhere at WSR.

It might make for a difficult few days, but the long-term gain may be worth it?

Re-Reading this this evening and it really is daft. WSR are just like other teams, they rely on paying drivers to continue to trade and you can’t just drop one on a whim. And why would you even if you could. What if Colin is taken out in R1 and scores no points all weekend?

Also critical is equal support for your customers whilst any of them can still win the championship. Otherwise why would anyone pay to race with them? What sort of message would that be to other drivers?

There is no big AJ ego causing issues. In fact if anything WSR owe AJ, with all the mechanical issues in 2018 that took him out of contention - and let’s not forget his defence against Ingram in last years R2 at the Brands finale which wrapped up the championship for Colin on a day where by Colin’s standards he was all over the place. If Colin has another finale like last years where he only scored 4 points, WSR and BMW will be mighty glad they have AJ also in the mix.

If I were AJ I’d be asking the team why did Colin and Matt Neal’s tyre changes take around 23 seconds less than AJs (from the TSL lap charts)? Because if they had taken the same time Colin would have been nowhere near AJ on track and this debate wouldn’t be happening. Cuts both ways....

crmalcolm · 4 Oct 2019, 20:22 (Ref:3931977)

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Cuts both ways....

True, and that is something AJ only seems to grasp after the fact.

It is clear from the amount of comments from various sources that many people feel AJ has one of the largest egos in the paddock. There can't be many drivers on the grid who he hasn't been critical of in some way, and that comes home to roost eventually.

MrsDoubtfire · 4 Oct 2019, 20:38 (Ref:3931978)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

True, and that is something AJ only seems to grasp after the fact.

It is clear from the amount of comments from various sources that many people feel AJ has one of the largest egos in the paddock. There can't be many drivers on the grid who he hasn't been critical of in some way, and that comes home to roost eventually.

We’ll have to disagree on that one. One of the most striking things about AJ in my view is the complete absence of ego.

Overboost · 4 Oct 2019, 20:55 (Ref:3931982)

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Originally Posted by MrsDoubtfire

We’ll have to disagree on that one. One of the most striking things about AJ in my view is the complete absence of ego.

I'm with crmalcolm on this one and plenty who have worked with him.

S griffin · 4 Oct 2019, 21:07 (Ref:3931984)

Mind you, he, for quite a while, raced only in his family team. Once he left there, it took him 3 teams before he finally found one he stayed at. But his attitude isn’t helping him

Johno.UK · 5 Oct 2019, 08:51 (Ref:3932044)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

Mind you, he, for quite a while, raced only in his family team. Once he left there, it took him 3 teams before he finally found one he stayed at. But his attitude isn’t helping him

He would have stayed at Motorbase but the sponsor wanted all three cars in the same livery which didn't fit with his Pirtek backing as I understand it.

peebee2 · 5 Oct 2019, 09:16 (Ref:3932046)

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Originally Posted by Overboost

I'm with crmalcolm on this one and plenty who have worked with him.

Plenty of paddock opinion on who might be Champ. Generally anyone but him. I don’t think WSR will miss him next year.

MrsDoubtfire · 5 Oct 2019, 09:29 (Ref:3932048)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

Mind you, he, for quite a while, raced only in his family team. Once he left there, it took him 3 teams before he finally found one he stayed at. But his attitude isn’t helping him

Genuine question - what attitude? Specifically?

S griffin · 5 Oct 2019, 09:58 (Ref:3932054)

His attitude towards other competitors, even if you can sometimes see his point

crmalcolm · 5 Oct 2019, 10:19 (Ref:3932060)

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Originally Posted by MrsDoubtfire

Genuine question - what attitude? Specifically?

If you read his contributions to 'Goodwood', you'll get a flavour. 'Examples such as:
Sitting on the grid I looked around thinking that I’ll be lucky to get through lap one unscathed'

If his opinion of other drivers is that they will probably hit him before the race has even started, it's not surprising that he's seen to have a attitude.

He's been critical of so many others in the BTCC (and of the series as a whole), that I'm sure there are more than a few who will advise him to make sure the car following doesn't hit his arse on the way out.

RS67 · 5 Oct 2019, 12:27 (Ref:3932068)

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Originally Posted by Johno.UK

He would have stayed at Motorbase but the sponsor wanted all three cars in the same livery which didn't fit with his Pirtek backing as I understand it.

That isn't even close to the reason.

thetool · 5 Oct 2019, 13:07 (Ref:3932074)

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Originally Posted by RS67

That isn't even close to the reason.

You know, when I read stuff like that in press releases I always think "who do they think is going to be taken in by that", but seemingly people are.

Johno.UK · 5 Oct 2019, 13:52 (Ref:3932077)

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Originally Posted by thetool

You know, when I read stuff like that in press releases I always think "who do they think is going to be taken in by that", but seemingly people are.

Maybe because not everyone is a total cynic and can only base their views on what they're told in the press and see with their own eyes.

Three has been a major part of Shredded Wheat marketing for years and all three cars appeared in that livery. Maybe it wasn't solely for that reason but Pirtek were given as the reason in every story from reputable journalists that I read at the time.

Of course anyone can say that every reason given for anything happening is completely different because they know someone who knows someone who knows someone but for the rest of us mere mortals we just have to assume that someone among the many interviews is telling the truth.

RS67 · 5 Oct 2019, 15:31 (Ref:3932085)

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Originally Posted by Johno.UK

Maybe because not everyone is a total cynic and can only base their views on what they're told in the press and see with their own eyes.

Three has been a major part of Shredded Wheat marketing for years and all three cars appeared in that livery.

Shredded Wheat marketing always played on the fact that 3 was too many.

redshoes · 5 Oct 2019, 17:53 (Ref:3932098)

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Originally Posted by RS67

Shredded Wheat marketing always played on the fact that 3 was too many.

That's a bit of an urban myth. The 'bet you can't eat three' tag line hasn't been used on an advert since the mid 1980s.

RS67 · 5 Oct 2019, 18:05 (Ref:3932101)

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Originally Posted by redshoes

That's a bit of an urban myth. The 'bet you can't eat three' tag line hasn't been used on an advert since the mid 1980s.

It is the only reference Shredded Wheat have ever made to three though. So any implication they wanted 3 cars fully liveries doesn't really stand.

porsche962fan · 5 Oct 2019, 18:17 (Ref:3932102)

let's be serious

the Motorbase Ford is not competitive and AJ jumped in a better boat at WSR

the only time Motorbase came close to WSR level was 2011 when Motorbase got Turbos Ford while WSR soldiered on the non turbo E90s and low budget

Mike Harte · 5 Oct 2019, 18:30 (Ref:3932105)

If Motorbase and/or Shredded Wheat was so hung up on running 3 cars in the yellow livery, how come that this year they were more than happy to run Hamilton in another livery? And continued to do so at Silverstone!

MrsDoubtfire · 5 Oct 2019, 18:39 (Ref:3932108)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

If you read his contributions to 'Goodwood', you'll get a flavour. 'Examples such as:
Sitting on the grid I looked around thinking that I’ll be lucky to get through lap one unscathed'

If his opinion of other drivers is that they will probably hit him before the race has even started, it's not surprising that he's seen to have a attitude.

He's been critical of so many others in the BTCC (and of the series as a whole), that I'm sure there are more than a few who will advise him to make sure the car following doesn't hit his arse on the way out.

Heinous crimes indeed. So from that you make assertions about ego, bust ups with other drivers and that no one will be sorry to see him go? That’s quite a leap.

It is of course fair to say that the further back you are on the grid the more likely you are to be caught up in an accident - though it seems to be a little better this year than last. And also that drivers know they can safely go wheel to wheel with some of their competitors and not with others. Not exactly breaking news.

In any case, I imagine most drivers’ relationships are formed from interaction with each other at circuits and not Goodwood write ups after the event. AJ will have some mates on the grid, some who are indifferent and some who bear a grudge over some incident in the past. Just like any other driver.

I’d like to see one of the two BMWs win next weekend. AJ has more wins than anyone and suffered massively from the Donington shunt. Colin has driven exceptionally well even if he didn’t click with the car quite so quickly. The car is good, WSR are a class act, and both drivers are top notch, so it would be a travesty if Alan’s boost, weight and ride height meddling in the name of entertainment were to lead to the title going elsewhere.

RS67 · 5 Oct 2019, 19:09 (Ref:3932117)

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Originally Posted by Mike Harte

If Motorbase and/or Shredded Wheat was so hung up on running 3 cars in the yellow livery, how come that this year they were more than happy to run Hamilton in another livery? And continued to do so at Silverstone!

Shredded Wheat wasn't originally on Tordoff car neither.

RS67 · 5 Oct 2019, 19:12 (Ref:3932121)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

let's be serious

the Motorbase Ford is not competitive and AJ jumped in a better boat at WSR

the only time Motorbase came close to WSR level was 2011 when Motorbase got Turbos Ford while WSR soldiered on the non turbo E90s and low budget

That has nothing to do with why Jordan didn't drive a second season at Motorbase.

porsche962fan · 5 Oct 2019, 19:23 (Ref:3932123)

then what was it ?

either way it didn't hurt Aj's career one bit , it was a step in the right direction

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