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Mike Bell · 19 Jan 2019, 19:04 (Ref:3877209)

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Originally Posted by Robert Farrell

Think I`ll confine myself to racing in the UK for 2019 or at least until the dust settles. I`m fortunate in having the choice. I only hope things work out for you chaps having to take customers cars abroad.
We used to take rally cars into Europe in the 1970`s and I have personal experience of the chaos one uninformed/snotty port official can cause.

We used to take Rally cars round Europe and Scandinavia in the late 80s and early 90s, so I know exactly where you’re coming from! Many hours lost at Borders- and that’s when the customs people weren’t on strike.

At least in those days the customs posts were prominent and the people used to the processes involved....

Mike Harte · 19 Jan 2019, 19:51 (Ref:3877212)

I cannot imagine that things will be any where near as easy in the ports when the end of March arrives. Going back to the 60s, 70s and up to the mid 80s, we had to employ staff at the docks to handle all the paperwork and VAT for all our goods coming in and going out.

The only difference that I can see now is that a lot of that can now be dealt with electronically. One can only hope that no matter how we leave the EU in two months, whether hard, soft or somewhere in between, that every one importing and exporting will have the necessary systems in place. And that includes our Customs and Excise wallahs.

MGDavid · 19 Jan 2019, 21:47 (Ref:3877218)

Well I'm planning on Spa, Mondello Park, Copenhagen and Dijon but luckily nothing before end of June and we should know all about it by then.

Mike Bell · 20 Jan 2019, 06:05 (Ref:3877255)

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Originally Posted by MGDavid

Well I'm planning- luckily nothing before end of June and we should know all about it by then.

Good move. That could help!

Mike Bell · 20 Jan 2019, 09:27 (Ref:3877268)

When it comes to our exit or not, I keep using the saying “in a worse case scenario”, but now totally confused as to what that would be.....

midgetman · 20 Jan 2019, 10:01 (Ref:3877275)

We won't leave. I said so from the beginning.

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grantp · 20 Jan 2019, 11:10 (Ref:3877283)

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Originally Posted by Mike Harte

The only difference that I can see now is that a lot of that can now be dealt with electronically.

If there are systems in place and working.

**Peter Mallett** · 20 Jan 2019, 11:18 (Ref:3877285)

Well of course the systems are in pace. Arriving at many non EU countries, you can still use the E gates or they just swipe your passport at the desk. No more stamping.

The same applies to goods arriving at non EU ports. The only time there are difficties is when a customs/VAT regime is put in place and the local customs people suddenly lose a profit stream.

bauble · 20 Jan 2019, 11:45 (Ref:3877288)

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Originally Posted by Mike Bell

When it comes to our exit or not, I keep using the saying “in a worse case scenario”, but now totally confused as to what that would be.....

Staying in the EU is my worst nightmare.

midgetman · 20 Jan 2019, 11:47 (Ref:3877290)

Anybody see the Autosport piece about MSUK writing to government opposing a no deal Brexit? It was in behalf of the F1 teams. One can imagine that the carnet requirements quite spook them. It's also become quite common to carry spare parts as hand baggage when a critical update is required at the track.

I will think twice about racing in Europe, even if the team wants to go. I'm sure my drivers won't want to pay for me to do the paperwork before or during the trip. Which is a shame as the Belgian championship is a natural move on for some of the guys.

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Mike Bell · 20 Jan 2019, 12:28 (Ref:3877298)

The ATA and CPD carnets are (or at least are up to now) far from ‘electronic’, and consist of multiple colour coded copies, and dupicates of the copies. At a border the goods can be checked against the carnet physically, then appropriate copies are signed, stamped and handed over to the officials. Fortunately if we’re out of the EU then the process will only have to be carried out at port of exit and port of entry during outward and return trips, even if crossing other EU borders in between. So only 4 stops at customs! In the pre EU-EEC days it was at every border.....

**Tim Falce** · 20 Jan 2019, 12:45 (Ref:3877301)

How do lorries from outside the EU get on, I don't believe Turkish trucks stop at every border and they certainly pass straight through dover or the folkstone without stopping, apart from the usual spot checks.

**Peter Mallett** · 20 Jan 2019, 12:55 (Ref:3877304)

Tim, Turkey has a deal with the EU.

**Tim Falce** · 20 Jan 2019, 13:43 (Ref:3877312)

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Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Tim, Turkey has a deal with the EU.

I hope it isn't like our prospective one

Mike Bell · 20 Jan 2019, 15:05 (Ref:3877328)

On the news that 1200 ECMT permits have been issued to haulage companies. The deadline to apply has now passed, but the suggestion is that 40000 permits were needed......

Apparently the government ‘have contingency plans’.

Gerard C · 20 Jan 2019, 15:24 (Ref:3877333)

Being no commercial freight you'll have soon a special accommodation I guess, same for passenger cars. Probably they'll have to go step by step. We all are kept under pressure, not a new game coming from politicians but at the end of the day common sens will prevail. Just in case, look at some trafic exceptions, like… circuses !

Mike Bell · 20 Jan 2019, 15:37 (Ref:3877336)

Common sense, Gerard? This is politicians we’re talking about!

**Tim Falce** · 20 Jan 2019, 15:41 (Ref:3877338)

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Originally Posted by Mike Bell

On the news that 1200 ECMT permits have been issued to haulage companies. The deadline to apply has now passed, but the suggestion is that 40000 permits were needed......

Apparently the government ‘have contingency plans’.

It's no problem, there's plenty of printing companies out there, they just need to make sure the serial numbers aren't all the same.

Gerard C · 20 Jan 2019, 17:37 (Ref:3877351)

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Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Common sense, Gerard? This is politicians we’re talking about!

Yes Mike, sometimes we've better laugh as you already said. Just imagine we suggest such a scenario to any movie maker we would be kicked out right away. When Hollande was at wheel he went as low as 12% of positive opinion. After two attacks in Paris, he went up to circa 22%, just saying he will protect "le peuple de France". Are people made for democracy and dont we have the politicians we deserve, I wonder…

MGDavid · 20 Jan 2019, 21:03 (Ref:3877388)

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Originally Posted by midgetman

Anybody see the Autosport piece about MSUK writing to government opposing a no deal Brexit? It was in behalf of the F1 teams. One can imagine that the carnet requirements quite spook them. It's also become quite common to carry spare parts as hand baggage when a critical update is required at the track.

I will think twice about racing in Europe, even if the team wants to go. I'm sure my drivers won't want to pay for me to do the paperwork before or during the trip. Which is a shame as the Belgian championship is a natural move on for some of the guys.

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Mr Gloomanddoom strikes again.... what is it you youngsters are so afraid of?

bauble · 20 Jan 2019, 21:49 (Ref:3877400)

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Originally Posted by MGDavid

Mr Gloomanddoom strikes again.... what is it you youngsters are so afraid of?

Most people seem more concerned with how Brexit will effect them personally, rather than the effect on the country as a whole.

I may be lucky but I see no downside for myself, but expect the UK to thrive once free of foreign interference in our affairs.

Being old I have faith in British pluck!

Willmaz223 · 20 Jan 2019, 22:07 (Ref:3877401)

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Originally Posted by bauble

Most people seem more concerned with how Brexit will effect them personally, rather than the effect on the country as a whole.

I may be lucky but I see no downside for myself, but expect the UK to thrive once free of foreign interference in our affairs.

Being old I have faith in British pluck!

being old...no such thing.My Grandad up and till he was about 85 used to drive his reliant robin.Seeing all these modern vehicles and then you see it lurking around.FANTASTIC.

midgetman · 20 Jan 2019, 22:28 (Ref:3877406)

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Originally Posted by MGDavid

Mr Gloomanddoom strikes again.... what is it you youngsters are so afraid of?

Haven't been called "youngster" for so long. I forgot you were so old.

I just CBA with all the paperwork eight or ten times per year. Too much like hard work when I could be doing something more fun.

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Colin McKay · 20 Jan 2019, 23:11 (Ref:3877413)

Too effing confused about the whole thing to work out what Brexit has got to do with potholes!

Mike Bell · 21 Jan 2019, 06:21 (Ref:3877449)

There may actually be a sensible reason though, as apparently all roadworks in the area are to be banned (unless emergency) between Feb and end of April to avoid any possibilty of them adding to congestion.....

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