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Old 3 Jan 2013, 20:01 (Ref:3184310)   #1
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The 'Top 100' Motorsport Championships

About, Aim and Rules

The aim of this chart is to show which championships offer the best action for the spectators

It's ordered by a percentage figure which reflects how full the grids are. Each circuit layout has a maximum number of cars allowed to race on it, and there are three different levels based upon the type of car and engine size. Ordering the chart via average grid size is not valid as it would penalise championships that run frequently on smaller circuits (where the amount of cars that can race is substantially lower e.g. Lydden Hill = 24, Snetterton 300 = 45).

Of course having a full grid of cars doesn't necessarily mean the racing will be good, but for the spectators there's likely to be more battles throughout the field, rather than a 6 car race where all the cars are spread out for example. Of course a two car battle for the lead can still make a race a classic!

So this 'top 100' is more for fun than for any serious comparison.

What Championships or Series are included?
Circuit tarmac races for cars and trucks in England, Wales and Scotland, where the results of two or more 2012 events can be found online. Does not include events such as allcomers races, one day festivals, winter championships, karting, rallying, rallycross, sprinting, time attack, motorcycle racing, drifting. Also does not include (even if they have two or more Races in the UK) championships/series which race for the majority of the time outside of England, Wales and Scotland.

Key
Asterisk symbol (*) indicates that the championship or series has, for at least one event, in recent years, combined grids with another championship or series, or has allowed 'invitation' class cars to run in their series or championship.

Pos 2012 = Position in Chart 2012
Pos Diff = Difference in chart positions from 2011 to 2012
% 2012 = Percentage 2012
% Diff = Percentage Difference 2011 to 2012

How are the percentages calculated?
The amount of cars that take part in each race (including any non finishers) is divided by the maximum amount of cars that are allowed to race on that particular circuit and for that type of car. The data is collected from the official TSL or MST results and/or the official championship websites, and each event results in a single figure which is used to calculate the average figure for the year.

If additional races have to be held to accommodate all the entrants for that event, then the amount of starters in each race is ignored and the championship or series automatically scores 100% for that event, please see the full explanation and example in the section below.

Additional Races - Automatic 100% Score
If an individual championship or series has more entrants for an event than can start a single race, then they will have to run additional races. If this is the case then the championship or series will automatically score 100% grid capacity for that event. This is to ensure that the percentage figures are a true reflection of the health of the championship.

Example: A championship wants to run a single round at a track which can race 32 cars. If there are 31 entrants then all the entrants can race in one race, which would be one round of the championship, and would score 96%. If there are 3 more entrants, 34 in total, then there would need to be two races to accommodate all the entrants, making up the one round, with a likely total of 17 drivers in each race, which would score (a much lower) 53%.

Using the 53% figure would be a poor reflection of the health of the championship, the fact of the matter is that they have filled the grid and had to run an additional race to accommodate all the drivers.

If the total amount of entrants for a championship or series event is less than the maxiumum amount of cars that are allowed to start a race on that track, for that type of car, but separate races are still run, then the 100% automatic score does not apply and the amount of entrants in each race will be used to arrive at an overall percentage figure for the event as per usual.

Additional non championship or non series races will not be counted towards the overall percentage, but additional races, run inorder to acommodate all the competitors, will mean a 100% score for that event, regardless of whether the additional races form part of the championship or series point scoring rounds.

Combined Grids / Multiple Classes
Where a championship runs combined grids with another championship or series, then the event percentage figure used will be worked out from the full number of cars in the race e.g. including cars that are not in that championship. This is because the spectacle for the fans is increased by having a larger grid of cars.

All classes within a championship or series count towards the grid capacity figures. If a championship runs separate classes in separate races and promotes them as separate championships, and /or with no overall championship encompassing all classes then they will be listed separately in the Top 100.

Disclaimer
I have made every effort to ensure that the data is accurate, but as I am only human some mistakes may have crept in. Please feel free to point these out and I will re-check and amend the chart if appropriate.
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Old 3 Jan 2013, 21:24 (Ref:3184341)   #2
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The 'Top 100' Motorsport Championships

Pos 2012 Club Championship/Series % 2012 Pos Diff % Diff
1 BRSCC Ma5da MX5 100.00% 0 0.00%
2 BRSCC Caterham Academy* 100.00% +9 12.79%
3 HSCC Guards Trophy 96.48% +14 14.41%
4 MSVR Track Day Trophy 94.78% +5 5.99%
5 CSCC Swinging Sixties* 94.77% +15 15.51%
6 HSCC Under 2 Litre Historic Touring Cars 93.25% -2 -2.58%
7 750MC Locost 92.39% -5 -5.86%
8 750MC Formula Vee 89.16% +2 0.54%
9 HSCC FJHRA Formula Junior UK* 86.99% -6 -10.52%
10 DDMC Northern Sports & Saloon Car Championship 86.01% -5 -9.15%
11 BARC NW Sports and Saloon Car Challenge 84.92% +24 11.37%
12 MSVR Production BMW 84.05% -5 -8.35%
13 Masters Pre 66 Saloons 83.94% +18 9.12%
14 HSCC Historic Touring Cars* 83.14% +9 5.61%
15 750MC MR2 82.72% -9 -11.99%
16 HSCC Historic Formula Ford 82.23% -1 -0.94%
17 CSCC Future Classics* 82.17% +24 10.09%
18 750MC RGB 80.63% +45 13.33%
19 750MC Stock Hatch 80.56% -7 -6.53%
20 BARC BARC Formula Renault 80.49% +54 16.82%
21 HRDC Touring Greats* 80.42% -13 -8.63%
22 CSCC Magnificent Sevens 79.88% +15 6.44%
23 BRSCC Ma5da MX150R* 79.30% +32 10.08%
24 BARC Kumho BMW 79.26% +62 17.89%
25 CSCC Tin Tops 77.97% +66 17.61%
26 MSVR Lotus Cup UK 77.38% 0 0.79%
27 MGCC Iconic 50s Sports Cars 76.21% N/A N/A
28 MGCC MG Owners Club* 75.46% +15 4.02%
29 BRSCC Caterham Supersport* 75.34% -15 -7.85%
30 MSVR Club MSV Team Trophy 75.20% +58 14.26%
31 VSCC 1950s Sports Racing Cars* 75.00% +107 28.63%
32 BARC Caterham Graduates (Sigma)* 74.74% +19 5.00%
33 CCRC Saloon Car 74.66% +9 2.64%
34 BARC 2CV 74.59% +80 20.64%
35 MMC Aero Racing Morgan Challenge 74.17% +14 4.20%
36 750MC Sports Specials* 73.80% +25 6.00%
37 BARC Legend Cars 73.80% +31 8.46%
38 SMRC Mini Cooper 72.97% +43 10.97%
39 MGCC BCV8* 72.57% +32 8.52%
40 HSCC Pre 66 Grand Prix Cars HGPCA 71.90% -8 -2.92%
41 CSCC RAF MSA Challenge* 71.63% +94 24.54%
42 RDRTC Nippon Challenge 71.59% -23 -10.38%
43 HSCC Woodcote Trophy 70.71% -25 -11.35%
44 BARC (QMN) Saloons* 70.64% +3 0.10%
45 BRSCC Volkswagen Racing Cup 70.46% +70 17.67%
46 BARC MGOC 70.23% +27 6.50%
47 MGCC Cockshoot Cup* 70.11% +63 14.86%
48 MGCC MG Metro* 70.02% +29 6.85%
49 HSCC FJHRA Front Engined Series 69.99% +34 8.37%
50 CCRC Formula Ford 1600 69.96% +8 1.21%
51 MSVR Monoposto 1800* 69.42% -21 -5.49%
52 MSVR Radical Clubmans Cup 69.03% -31 -9.83%
53 BRSCC Caterham Tracksport 68.79% -40 -18.14%
54 750MC BMW Compact Cup* 68.64% +133 39.44%
55 Masters Gentlemen Drivers 68.63% +4 0.29%
56 BRSCC Porsche Championship (PRDA) (Logson) 68.50% +47 11.44%
57 HSCC Classic Racing Cars 68.48% -13 -2.94%
58 MGCC MG Midget & Sprite* 68.26% +50 12.31%
59 BRSCC Porsche Club Motorsport Championship 68.01% +62 18.08%
60 SRCC Sports 2000 Pinto* 67.92% +6 2.19%
61 BRSCC Mighty Minis* 67.54% +14 4.13%
62 BRSCC Fun Cup 67.45% -14 -3.07%
63 BARC Caterham Graduates (Super)* 67.42% -24 -5.10%
64 MGCC MG Challenge (Peter Best)* 67.33% +36 9.59%
65 WRDA Welsh Sports Car & Saloon Championship 67.19% +135 44.19%
66 RDRTC MR2 Racing Series (Mk1s) 66.74% -14 -2.65%
67 BRSCC Formula Ford 1600 Northern 1 - Pre 90 66.20% -22 -4.60%
68 HSCC Historic Formula 2 65.98% -44 -10.83%
69 SMRC Classic Sports and Saloons 65.21% -40 -10.10%
70 BRSCC Ford Fiesta (ST Mk5) Championship - Class C* 65.21% +28 6.87%
71 MSVR Golf GTI (Mk2) 64.95% -44 -10.57%
72 HSCC Stirling Moss Trophy 64.51% -47 -12.26%
73 BARC Intermarque League* 64.23% +6 1.96%
74 MSVR Project 8 Racing Saloons 63.85% -46 -11.46%
75 MSVR VAG Trophy 63.53% -11 -2.58%
76 SMRC Legends Cars 63.51% -22 -5.80%
77 BARC Clio UK Cup 62.75% +64 16.98%
78 SRCC Sports 2000 Duratec* 62.72% -2 -0.53%
79 BARC Blue Oval Saloons* 62.71% +43 12.82%
80 HSCC Historic Road Sports* 62.52% -18 -4.93%
81 BRSCC British GT 62.34% +6 1.08%
82 750MC Classic Stock Hatch 62.14% +34 9.55%
83 HRDC TC63* 62.04% N/A N/A
84 BARC (Cannons) Tin Tops* 61.79% -68 -21.31%
85 750MC Sports Racing & GT* 61.72% +10 2.61%
86 BARC Caterham Graduates (Mega)* 61.70% -14 -2.16%
87 BARC Ginetta GT5 Challenge 61.68% -54 -13.08%
88 BRSCC Caterham Superlight R300 61.29% -28 -6.60%
89 MGCC Ecurie GTS 60.85% N/A N/A
90 BARC Classic Thunder* 60.84% +16 4.47%
91 MSVR Champion of Brands 60.64% +10 3.05%
92 BRSCC Euro Saloons & Sportscars 59.98% -3 -0.84%
93 MSVR Radical UK Cup 59.93% -36 -9.10%
94 HRDC MGB50* 59.43% N/A N/A
95 HSCC E type Challenge 59.27% -73 -18.78%
96 BARC Pre 93 Touring Car* 59.21% +22 6.77%
97 BARC British Touring Car 59.19% -32 -6.91%
98 HSCC Historic Formula Ford 2000* 58.65% -62 -14.83%
99 HSCC Historic Formula 3 58.62% N/A N/A
100 BARC Classic Formula Ford 1600 58.60% +46 14.24%
101 MSVR Lotus Elise Trophy 58.53% -48 -10.84%
102 CSCC HVRA V8 Challenge 58.49% N/A N/A
103 HSCC 70s Road Sports* 56.40% -63 -16.06%
104 HSCC Classic Formula 3* 56.25% -12 -3.49%
105 SEMSEC Sports Cars & Saloons* 56.16% +37 10.43%
106 MSVR F3 Cup* 56.04% +19 6.46%
107 750MC 750 Formula 55.99% -13 -3.27%
108 HRDC GTS65* 55.95% N/A N/A
109 MGCC Fiscar Historic 50s Intermarque 55.90% N/A N/A
110 750MC Bike Sports 55.54% +51 14.90%
111 HSCC Martini Trophy 55.50% +57 17.94%
112 BARC Britcar Production Class* 55.42% -66 -15.38%
113 JEC Jaguar XJS Championship* 55.37% -33 -6.68%
114 JEC Jaguar Saloons* 55.37% -30 -6.16%
115 VSCC Standard and Modified Pre War Sports Cars 55.27% -65 -14.69%
116 BRSCC Formula Ford 1600 (Triple Crown) 55.16% N/A N/A
117 AMOC Intermarque 54.96% -12 -1.49%
118 M7RC Mini Se7en* 54.93% -25 -4.56%
119 MGCC MG Trophy* 54.62% +7 5.07%
120 BARC Britcar GT Class* 54.54% -82 -18.32%
121 JEC JEC Powered by Jaguar Series* 54.11% -9 -0.94%
122 BRSCC Alfa Romeo Championship* 53.87% +30 10.54%
123 HRDC Grand Touring Greats* 53.85% -89 -20.66%
124 HSCC Derek Bell Trophy* 53.52% -27 -5.02%
125 CCRC Sports & GT 53.36% -21 -3.63%
126 AMOC Equipe GTS 53.28% -44 -8.37%
127 BARC Caterham Graduates (Classic)* 53.23% +18 8.42%
128 VSCC Pre War Sports Cars* 52.90% +3 5.07%
129 BARC Clubmans Cup* 52.74% +5 5.64%
130 MSVR Monoposto 2000* 52.17% -45 -9.34%
131 360MRC 360MRC Endurance Races 51.84% N/A N/A
132 MGCC Thoroughbred Sportcar* 51.70% -65 -13.77%
133 AMOC AMOC 50s Sports Cars 51.68% N/A N/A
134 SMRC Fiesta 51.21% -21 -2.81%
135 BRSCC Ford XR Challenge 51.01% -8 1.54%
136 JEC Sports Car vs Saloon Car Challenge* 50.62% -16 -0.08%
137 MSVR Mini Challenge 50.41% -30 -5.84%
138 SRCC Sports 2000 Endurance 50.10% N/A N/A
139 CSCC Deutsche Marque* 49.80% +17 7.52%
140 BRSCC Ford Fiesta Championship - Class A,B & D* 48.92% +27 10.68%
141 AMOC Ferrari Formula Classic 48.79% -17 -0.99%
142 750MC 750 Trophy 48.54% -43 -9.64%
143 BARC Classic Clubmans* 48.31% -13 0.22%
144 HSCC Group C Sportscars 47.83% -21 -2.05%
145 BARC Porsche Carrera GB 47.58% -75 -17.47%
146 BRSCC Ma5da MX5 Cup (Mk3)* 47.41% -90 -21.81%
147 BRSCC Production Golf Gti (Mk2) 46.56% +22 9.42%
148 BRSCC Caterham Roadsports* 45.64% -70 -17.21%
149 SMRC Saloon and Sports Cars 45.00% -21 -3.66%
150 BARC AROC Alfa Romeo Challenge* 44.65% N/A N/A
151 BARC Ginetta GT Supercup 44.58% -14 -1.93%
152 Masters Sports Racing Masters 43.85% -23 -4.28%
153 BRSCC TVR Challenge 43.22% -13 -2.64%
154 BRSCC Super Mighty Minis* 43.06% +12 4.26%
155 Masters XK Challenge* 42.87% +5 1.97%
156 M7RC Mini Miglia* 42.70% -1 0.06%
157 BARC Pickup Truck Racing 42.69% +7 3.48%
158 BARC Classic Formula Ford 2000 42.53% +12 5.79%
159 BARC MaX 5 (Mazda MX5) 41.92% +24 10.68%
160 SMRC Formula Ford 41.67% -1 0.26%
161 750MC MR2 Super GT 40.89% +17 6.53%
162 SEMSEC Sports Racing & Kit Cars 40.28% -4 -1.19%
163 BARC British F3 39.73% -61 -17.76%
164 CSCC Elan 50 Series 39.65% N/A N/A
165 750MC Formula 4 39.63% -22 -5.83%
166 BARC Classic Saloon & Historic Touring (Pre 66) 39.58% -49 -12.89%
167 KMSC Classic Saloons & Sports Cars 39.58% N/A N/A
168 CSCC Special Saloons 39.29% -6 -0.71%
169 BRSCC Formula Jedi 38.96% -58 -16.25%
170 Masters 70s Celebration 38.91% +24 11.39%
171 BRSCC Formula Ford 1600 Northern 1 - Post 89 2011 38.72% -20 -4.88%
172 HSCC 500cc Formula 3 Owners Association 38.50% -103 -26.60%
173 BRSCC Formula Ford GB 38.07% -77 -20.98%
174 BARC Post Historic (Pre 73)* 37.87% -21 -5.24%
175 BARC British Truck Racing 37.56% -25 -6.48%
176 KMSC Modified Sports & Saloon Cars 37.50% N/A N/A
177 AMOC Ferrari Formula Open 36.69% -6 0.87%
178 BARC Ginetta Junior 36.25% -31 -8.10%
179 BARC Classic Group One (Pre 83)* 35.71% -43 -11.13%
180 BARC Honda VTEC* 35.44% -47 -12.15%
181 HSCC JD Classics Challenge 35.37% N/A N/A
182 BARC Smart 4 Two Cup* 34.17% -10 -1.60%
183 BRSCC Open / Production Sportscar Series (OSS)* 34.09% -34 -9.98%
184 KMSC Formula Ford 33.93% N/A N/A
185 AMOC Aston Martin GT4 Challenge* 33.49% +7 4.94%
186 SEMSEC John Taylor Handicap 32.14% N/A N/A
187 RDRTC Civic Cup 32.12% N/A N/A
188 AMOC Pre War Sports Cars 31.77% -25 -8.04%
189 VSCC Special Sports Cars 30.93% -15 -4.25%
190 KMSC Legends 30.21% N/A N/A
191 SEMSEC South East Challenge* 30.16% -9 -1.39%
192 BARC Intersteps* 29.84% -11 -1.96%
193 VSCC Vintage Racing Cars* 29.14% -18 -6.04%
194 BARC Pre 90 Formula Ford 28.36% -17 -6.02%
195 VSCC Front Engined Pre 1961 Racing Cars* 26.25% -56 -19.86%
196 Masters CanAm Interserie Challenge 25.83% N/A N/A
197 MSVR GT Cup 25.72% -53 -19.23%
198 BRSCC Saker Challenge (with Enduro Cup)* 25.13% -9 -3.65%
199 SEMSEC Open Single Seater* 24.52% -19 -9.21%
200 BARC Production Touring Car* 22.87% -27 -12.43%
201 BRSCC Ford Fiesta Junior 22.06% N/A N/A
202 750MC Saxmax 21.76% -18 -7.69%
203 BARC Porsche GT3 GB 21.16% -2 -1.02%
204 BARC Crossle 9S* 21.00% -5 -3.93%
205 CCRC Classic 60s Sports and Saloons Challenge 20.59% N/A N/A
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Club Acronym Explanations and overall percentage figures (2012)
CSCC – Classic Sports Car Club – 65.96%
MGCC – MG Car Club – 65.73%
HSCC – Historic Sports Car Club – 65.28%
MSVR – Motor Sport Vision Racing – 64.10%
750MC – 750 Motor Club – 63.61%
HRDC – Historic Racing Drivers Club – 62.34%
SRCC – Sports 2000 Racing Car Club – 60.25%
JEC – Jaguar Enthusiasts Club – 58.37%
BRSCC – British Racing & Sports Car Club – 57.08%
RDRTC – Red Dragon Race & Track Club – 56.82%
SMRC – Scottish Motor Racing Club – 56.60%
CCRC – Castle Combe Racing Club – 54.64%
BARC – British Automobile Racing Club – 52.01%
Masters – Masters Historic Racing – 50.67%
M7RC – Mini 7 Racing Club – 48.82%
VSCC – Vintage Sports Car Club – 44.92%
AMOC – Aston Martin Owners Club – 44.38%
SEMSEC - South East Motor Sport Club – 36.55%
KMSC – Knockhill Motor Sport Club – 35.31%
360MRC – 360 Motor Racing Club
DDMC – Darlington and District Motor Club
HDI - Healey Drivers International
MMC – Morgan Motor Company
WRDA – Welsh Racing Drivers Association

Results Summary

2012 Best Championships / Series
No 1 Overall - Ma5da MX5 / Caterham Academy* – BRSCC
Single Seater - Formula Vee - 750MC
Tin Top - Track Day Trophy - MSVR
Sportscar & GT - Ma5da MX5 - BRSCC
Sprint Racing - Ma5da MX5 - BRSCC
Endurance - Track Day Trophy - MSVR
Classic / Historic - Guards Trophy - HSCC
Highest New Entry - Ecurie GTS - MGCC
Overall Average Grid Capacity - 57.09% (205 Championships or Series)

2011 to 2012 Biggest Improvers (Top 5)
Welsh Sports Car & Saloon Championship (WRDA) - Up 135 positions to 65th
BMW Compact Cup (750MC) - Up 133 positions to 54th
1950s Sports Racing Cars (VSCC) - Up 107 positions to 31st
RAF MSA Challenge (CSCC) - Up 94 positions to 41st
2CV Championship (BARC) - Up 80 positions to 34th

2011 to 2012 Biggest Drops (Top 5)
500cc Formula 3 Owners Association (HSCC) - Down 103 positions to 172nd
Ma5da MX5 Cup (MK3) (BRSCC) - Down 90 positions to 146th
Grand Touring Greats (HRDC) - Down 89 positions to 123rd
Britcar GT (BARC)- Down 82 positions to 120th
Formula Ford GB (BRSCC) - Down 77 positions to 173rd

Factoid
From 2011 to 2012 there has been a jump in performance which makes the following areas of the chart more competitive
- 20th to 30th
- 113rd to 149th
- 167th to 194th
e.g. in 2011 48.13% was good for 129th in the chart, in 2012 52.74% has to be scored to achieve 129th in the chart

As a result championships can improve their percentage figure but still drop down the chart, E.g. Ford XR Challenge improved 1.54% but still dropped 8 places further down the chart

2011 Best Championships / Series
No 1 Overall - Ma5da MX5 – BRSCC
Single Seater - FJHRA Formula Junior UK - HSCC
Tin Top - Under 2 Litre Historic Touring Cars - HSCC
Sportscar & GT - Ma5da MX5 - BRSCC
Sprint Racing - Ma5da MX5 - BRSCC
Endurance -Touring Greats - HRDC
Classic / Historic - FJHRA Formula Junior UK - HSCC
Overall Average Grid Capacity - 56.68% (202 Championships or Series)
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A brilliant idea. This is a fantastic effort and must have taken many hours to compile, thanks for taking the time to do so. It will be used by me for vetting which meetings to avoid and which to go to in 2013! The first few weeks of January are always an exciting time as dates and fixtures start to firm up but the task of trying to make sense of the fixture list gets harder year by year and with 205 different series/championships in the table it's no wonder.....Knowing UK motorsport it will probably be 220 championships/series this time next year.
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What a fantastic thread as im involved in the Classic Formula Ford Championship this give me a good reference as to how we are doing and i must say that in this recession to improve by 58 places to get into the top 100 im very happy with. Our Pre 90 series should get a large jump this year . In a perfect world i would like to see our championship in the top 50 this time next years and the Pre 90s up to the top 150 .We have increased our championship to 12 rounds in 2012 With 3 live TV races so lets see how we do .
Once again great effort keep it up.

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Brilliant idea, and actually the top 20 are pretty much as I would rate them from the bank...a few anomalies would be

Legends cars
British gt
Ginetta gt5 challenge
Monoposto

Which I rate very highly in terms of action...

....and why oh why isn't the smart car championship at the bottom of the list haha!

Seriously though, a very good insight into club and national racing in the uk and pretty much proves that grid sizes make better racing!....oh and note there are a lot of sports/saloons championships up there which always provide brilliant racing
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What a useful piece of analysis, thank you very much. The anorak of the year award.

While grid size may not be the only factor, this will certainly form a part of my decisions about which meetings to go to.

Have you sent the MSA a copy - it ought to be a part of their consideration of championships?

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Thanks for the positive feedback, I do plan to keep the chart going, and i'll gladly take that 'anorak of the year' award!

Apologies that the 2011 to 2012 chart itself is in this thread twice, bit of finger trouble and impatience from me is to blame. I have put a request in for post 4 to be deleted.

The chart is of interest to me, but wasn't sure how it would be received,
there's often talk of poorly subscribed series and the common sense approach of almalgamating series instead of creating new ones etc, so I think this data is of interest at multiple levels, as has been mentioned is does give a guide on what to expect at racing events. Also it will allow championship promotors to see the fruits of their labours.

There are actually already more than 205 championships but I haven't included ones which don't fit the criteria mentioned in the blurb, and also ones which were run in 2011 but not 2012, quite a few series have already announced almagamations and/or changes of name for 2013.

it did take many, many hours to compile, some rough maths says it could mean I've looked at 2400 race results! I do plan to publish it around this time each year, it will be less work going forward because I 'only' have to do one years results rather than two

It's particularly difficult to compile the info as some championships/series races are run by multiple clubs, so the results are literally all over the place, or support races where different/foreign timing companies are used, easy to miss results if you're not careful. Also difficult to find rules which work for / are fair for all championships/series. For the purpose of fair comparisom
i've chose to ignore championships/series which place yearly limits on the amount of entrants, e.g BTCC, next year BRDC F4

the chart does allow some interesting analysis, e.g. lots of the top championships have lost entry's in 2012 but the overall average grid capacity has barely changed from 2011 to 2012, which is odd with the recession going on, so I guess it makes sense for new championships/series to replace ones which have been 'retired' as the amount of racers must be fairly static

as I mentioned in the blurb you cant really put a percentage figure on entertainment, e.g. a 2 car battle for the lead can still make the race
a classic, some of my favourite series/championships aren't very high in the chart, so agree the chart does have anomolies, but generally speaking the more cars in the race the more there is too watch, the more levels of intrigue, the more chance of talent at the sharp end.

I haven't sent it to the MSA, because I believe they already do this analysis

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Monoposto have two race grids per meeting with up to 6 classes.

For 2012 it was 5
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- Mono2000 Classic
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- MotoMono

Usually with the 2000 classes together and then 1800/1600/bike engined together, but occasionally in other configurations depending on entries and grid capacity.

Treated as a complete grid they've had very healthy grids for the last few years.
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Very interesting results.
A couple of points though:
a) The MG Car Club does not run the MG Owners Club series - BARC do.
b) In 2011 There was one GTS series (Equipe GTS) in 2012 we had two, Equipe GTS run by AMOC and Ecurie GTS by MGCC. In 2011 I would think we had some capaicty grids for the single Equipe GTS series.
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. . . Apologies that the 2011 to 2012 chart itself is in this thread twice, bit of finger trouble and impatience from me is to blame. I have put a request in for post 4 to be deleted. . .
Phew, I don't need to spend any more hours trying to spot the difference.

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2011 to 2012 Biggest Improvers (Top 5)
Welsh Sports Car & Saloon Championship (WRDA) - Up 135 positions to 65th
BMW Compact Cup (750MC) - Up 133 positions to 54th
1950s Sports Racing Cars (VSCC) - Up 107 positions to 31st
RAF MSA Challenge (CSCC) - Up 94 positions to 41st
2CV Championship (BARC) - Up 80 positions to 34th
An interesting poll which focuses on a definable metric of grid sizes.

I welcome the RAFMSA making the stats due to the work of the club members to promote and bring variety to our race series.

A small point but worth mentioning as it changes the statistics; we were buying grids with both BARC and Morgan Sports Car Club in 2012 rather than CSCC.

In addition I was intrigued by the follow-on comments:

"While grid size may not be the only factor, this will certainly form a part of my decisions about which meetings to go to."

"It will be used by me for vetting which meetings to avoid and which to go to in 2013!"

Our racing for example has never been about grid size, it is about providing cost effective racing primarily for RAF personnel with other services and associates (non serving) racing with us. Therefore it will always have a limited number of racers who fit within the criteria so our pool of racers is naturally capped as are our grids.

Our aim is to deliver mixed ability and mixed cars racing providing, within a set of well defined rules and criteria, what we regard as 'interesting' racing. This means that the most expensive/fasted car does not necessarily win as we run a handicap system to reward the most consistent driver. Our further aim for 2013 will to be run more full handicap pitstop races which will add to the interest.

The so what? is that whilst there is an incredible amount of effort here to showcase grid sizes and take the temperature of club racing via its relative grid size, that grid increase may lead to more interesting racing but it is not the only criteria.

My own view is that grid size is only one factor and I would recommend those using it to determine their race attendance to use it as one factor in their decisions to visit races in 2013 not the sole criteria.

Just my thoughts!

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I'd query the position of the Caterham Academy within the chart as it is run as two seperate competitions and creating two champions (with, by my reckoning average grids of 24.75 and 24.25) as opposed to a single championship with a split grid.

As has been said, Monoposto is a single championship with, I believe, a combined average entry over 2012 of 40.46 (exceeded only by the Ma5da Cup and Guards Trophy).
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I'd query the position of the Caterham Academy within the chart as it is run as two seperate competitions and creating two champions (with, by my reckoning average grids of 24.75 and 24.25) as opposed to a single championship with a split grid.

As has been said, Monoposto is a single championship with, I believe, a combined average entry over 2012 of 40.46 (exceeded only by the Ma5da Cup and Guards Trophy).
I think you will find that Monoposto list 5 champions on its own web site not just one .This is one of the main appeals of there races ,you are competing against cars of similar performance. I have raced with them and they are a very friendly crowd .
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Some of the Series attributed to the CSCC do not "belong" to that club. The RAFMSA and the Historic HVRA V8s. for eg. That said I'm pleased that the club has 4 series in the top 25. I think the overall average grid size for ALL CSCC Series in 2013 was 76%, not bad going.

For 2013 CSCC has changed the "Deutsche Marque" series to "Modern Classics" to recognise that that Series was one its less well supported ones, and to open out the Series to a wider range of sports, saloons and GTs from many other marques and originating countries.The 40 min race series will now be open to cars that had hitherto not been catered for in most CSCC series such as post 1990 cars and bigger engined or turbocharged saloons etc etc and, to have classes based on different capacity breaks to "Future Classics" to encourage cars out to play with us that may not have been competitive in the FC classes such as 2.5 litre 944s or Vauxhall Vectra Challenge cars or MX5s etc.
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have realised a made a type in my last post, this bit should have read

"For the purpose of fair comparison i've chose to ignore *the fact that some* championships/series place yearly limits on the amount of entrants, e.g BTCC, next year BRDC F4 *and I have still included them in the chart*"

Thanks for the pointing out of errors, unfortunately I can't edit the chart, so have taken note of any errors and make sure things are correct the 2012-2013 edition.

For Monoposto, there's no sign of an overall Monoposto championship winner or classification on the website, so the rule about them being listed separately is applyed, to be clearer in the future I will list them as "Monoposto 1800 (inc. 1600, Moto)*" and "Monoposto 2000 (inc. Classic)*" (inc = including)

Monoposto 1800 is pretty well placed, 8th best single seater championship/series currently

I have changed the club for MGOC to BARC in my draft chart for 2013, in checking this I realised i have made a mistake.. positions 28 and 46 in the chart above are both MGOC, the position/percentage for 2012 doesn't change but it did infact move up 35 positions not 15, as the 2011 average was 66.62%

Equipe GTS 2011 was 61.65%, the overall average would be higher if it wasn't for the Silverstone GP meeting, which was 39.66% individually, two other Equipe GTS events scored around 70%

I will list the RAFMSA under RAF for 'club' going forward, people definitley shouldnt use the grid sizes alone to decide what to go to, Mini Miglia / Mini Se7en for example are fantastically entertaining, but dont have high capacity grids

The Caterham Academy is an interesting one as I think its going to be the exception to the rule, I cant find definitive info on their website, but it would seem that they have so many entrants that they have split them into two distinct groups for the whole year.

However from my understanding they are exactly the same cars, same rules etc, so effectively (despite there being 2 champions) it's one championship where they've gone a different route than the usual A,B,C format when there are two many entrants for them all to be in one race

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For 2013 CSCC has changed the "Deutsche Marque" series to "Modern Classics" to recognise that that Series was one its less well supported ones, and to open out the Series to a wider range of sports, saloons and GTs from many other marques and originating countries.The 40 min race series will now be open to cars that had hitherto not been catered for in most CSCC series such as post 1990 cars and bigger engined or turbocharged saloons etc etc and, to have classes based on different capacity breaks to "Future Classics" to encourage cars out to play with us that may not have been competitive in the FC classes such as 2.5 litre 944s or Vauxhall Vectra Challenge cars or MX5s etc.
Just what we expect from that club. Willing to try new things and then modify as necessary to put on good racing.

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Incredible piece of work.

Did you not include "non" championship series such as the MR2 Mk1 series run by Red Dragon. We race at CSCC etc meeting but hire track time and are not "officially" recognised by RACMSA (i believe)

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thank you

all championships or series that fit the criteria in the blurb are included, the red dragon mk1 mr2s included in the chart, currently placed 66th
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Hi
many apologies - i just must have missed it!
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Lol, so only MSA motorsport then eh, no other motorsport could possibly exist!
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Lol, so only MSA motorsport then eh, no other motorsport could possibly exist!

A bit harsh dear chap im also involved in Autograss racing but dont feel it should be involved in the list . I have spoken to people in Autograss and they are looking at doing the same sort of list . This chart happens to be for MSA championships if you want another have a go at doing it yourself .The amount of work that has gone into this should be praised no knocked i agree we all have the right to our views but constructive comment would be better.It has been useful for me with the Classic Formula Fords to be awear of were we fit in and has given me a target for the 2013 season. Can i just add dont forget to wave and thank the marshals on your slowing down lap without them we cant play .

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Not a problem

Was just providing my usual service!

I have no quarrel with whats been done, doesnt interest me in the slightest, I clicked on it coz it said "motorsport". I kind of knew other motorsport would not feature, it usually doesnt, but the term motorsport covers everything.

My only comment would be to call it something like circuit racing, as motorsport covers everything from autocross, the motocross, speedway and drag racing.

Anyway, to the originator, bat on sir!
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Congratulations

Lazaro,

I just got pointed towards your work whilst browsing a historic racing today thread.

I think it is brilliant and you are to be congratulated for your effort. I really don't know if anyone else does this sort of analysis. Someone else will know, but I think that when the 'MSA championship committee' does its review it looks at the less powerful raw average entries rather than your measure which is 'percentage grid fill'.

Personally I think all clubs and championships should look at it your way because it is a very striking way of measuring the economic efficiency of a championship. On the whole a championship with a high grid fill ought to; 1) Be able to offer competitors lower entry fees and 2) Is more likely to be sustainable in the long term and 3) Be more fun for competitors, marshals and spectators.

I have two questions about the methodology when it comes to using the data to support the thought of 'most popular'.

Using the metric of percentage grid fill it gives an advantage to any series that runs on 'smaller' tracks. So a poorly supported series could run all its races at Lydden and score well. Another way of looking at this is that a 'popular' series on this basis would immediately become 'unpopular' if it replaced a Lydden round with one on the Silverstone GP circuit.

Secondly, I may have misunderstood the way you have dealt with championships that are so successful that they have to put on an additional race to 'soak up the demand', but I think that you limit the impact of this to '100%'. This may suppress the true success of some championships right at the top of your chart. A not so hypothetical example would be a race on the Silverstone Grand Prix circuit where you can start 54 cars. A race with 68 entries gets split in two. Your method allocates it 100% whereas a true measure of 'popularity' ie; how many people wanted to race would give it 126% (68/54) and push it up your league table.

I may have got that wrong. Shoot me down if I have. I run the risk of collecting 'nerd of the year'. However, with those caveats your work is great and I would have thought it ought to be picked up by Motor Sport News or Autosport as part of their season reviews. Have you sent it to them?

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Well put Chris . I see Historic Formula Fords have a full grid at Donington this weekend and Classic Formula Ford heading the same way North west always have two grids and James Becketts/MSVR looks good. kent engined Formula Fords should be near the top at the end of the season .
Have a great seasons racing ,play safe and dont forget to wave a thanks to the marshals on the in lap .

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