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Old 12 Apr 2017, 11:49 (Ref:3725791)   #421
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Is there/should there be a price cap in GT4?
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Old 12 Apr 2017, 12:29 (Ref:3725811)   #422
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I guess GT4 is already plenty far down the path of GT3 in that all the smaller car builders are being driven out and the road cars that the race cars are based on are already up a tier from what they were for the most part, so it might as well gain some more popularity as it's too late to keep it a nice "little" thing.

I just hope we have some good variety as all the cars become available. I guess it sounds kinda "first world problems" but I don't want to see it turn into the GT3 thing where every grid is 90% R8s, AMG GTs and Huracans with a handful of McLarens thrown in... Although for GT4 the Cayman would probably take the place of the Huracan.

Will be interesting to watch how the situation develops over the next couple of years. Will the Sins, Ginettas and KTMs be further BOP'd out of it as all the big manufacturers won't like "kit cars" beating them? Will we see any Camaros or Mustangs overseas? Will the M4 prove to be a popular option or will the wealthy gentleman prefer the "prestige" of borderline supercars like the McLaren and R8 over sports coupes? With all the new options will the Astons be able to stay relevant? Do Maseratis and Nissans have any chance at relevance? Will the Jaguar show up? Could a Lotus pop up again? Plenty of things to watch.

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Old 12 Apr 2017, 16:04 (Ref:3725864)   #423
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GT4 - The future...?

GT4 is now the Pro Am & Am Am version of GT3.

GT3 is now heavily Pro Pro and Pro Am.

Honestly I'm not sure if I can how it works as long as the Racing is brilliant. Which it currently is in GT3 and GT4. And plenty people are buying these new cars so they can't be so wrong
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Old 12 Apr 2017, 20:47 (Ref:3725950)   #424
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Running costs of a GT4 are still way below that of a GT3 and it's those 'hidden costs' that make it expensive.

Then again, if you want cheap....don't go racing ;-)
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Old 12 Apr 2017, 22:08 (Ref:3725970)   #425
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Then again, if you want cheap....don't go racing ;-)
Or just go race in Formula Vee.
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Old 13 Apr 2017, 00:20 (Ref:3725988)   #426
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Running costs of a GT4 are still way below that of a GT3 and it's those 'hidden costs' that make it expensive.



Then again, if you want cheap....don't go racing ;-)


Completely the right attitude

It's not like these cars aren't selling? I mean GT3 and GT4 are flourishing, I see no reason to complain
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Old 16 Apr 2017, 22:44 (Ref:3727192)   #427
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This is one of several reason i didnt like conti adopting GT4 for their GS regulations.
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Old 19 Apr 2017, 09:42 (Ref:3727699)   #428
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http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/ste...-que-le-debut/

Interesting interview with Ratel (in French) about what is - and what isn't - in store for GT4 in the next year. Looks like a performance boost for GT4 is under consideration for 2019. Would be interesting to have more details on what that could entail. Aero? Engine performance? Both?
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Old 19 Apr 2017, 09:52 (Ref:3727704)   #429
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A performance boost? Why? To make room for GT5?
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Old 19 Apr 2017, 10:31 (Ref:3727710)   #430
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Dallara sportscar>>>GT4?

Coming soon? http://www.caranddriver.es/coches/no...llara-road-car
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Interesting interview with Ratel (in French) about what is - and what isn't - in store for GT4 in the next year. Looks like a performance boost for GT4 is under consideration for 2019. Would be interesting to have more details on what that could entail. Aero? Engine performance? Both?
Performance boost means increasing costs, so IMO not a good idea.
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Fantastic, I like this car.
Maybe for the under weight, could be a GT3 too, like the KTM X-Bow that is a GT4, but True-Racing Team use this car with a GT3 Spec in A6-Pro in Crevetic 24, the last 12 hours of Mugello.
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A performance boost? Why? To make room for GT5?
It would be interesting a GT5 for cars that now have no place such as, Mazda MX5, Toyota GT86, Peugeot RCZ, Mercedes SLK, Audi TT, BMW Z4 or serie2, Fiat 124 spider, Hyundai Genesis Coupe
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Performance boost means increasing costs, so IMO not a good idea.
GT4 is dead. Long live GT4.

Cost is relative, and it depends on what a class's mission is. If GT4 was still a close to production spec beginners class, then yes - rising costs would be an issue. But with GT4 appearing to be set to become the backbone of national GT racing and thus much more than a mere entry class, it is probably sensible to give the class the looks and the performance worthy of a national top class.

You don't need to go crazy, but horsepower on par with the equivalent roadcars and a somewhat more aggressive aero-package would sure be nice. If necessary use a spec wing for all cars a la BTCC or old Grand Am GT.

GT4 with a little bit of help in the aero-department would look mighty fine.
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Given that most of the current crop of GT4 cars have had their power restricted over the roadgoing versions(it varies from series to series, but GT4s generally end up restricted to 450-500 horsepower during balancing), it actually might not cause a huge jump in cost to increase performance - as long as the performance increase is done via the engine, at least, and not a reworking of the allowable aero.

That power rating, however, does suddenly make the idea of GT5 an appealing concept even without the power boost. As Hondafan37 noted, GT4 is not exactly ideal even as it stands for some lower-power sportscars that rely on light weight. A GT5 class meant for such cars would not be a bad thing.

GT4 as it stands is filling in the exact spot that GT3 was originally designed to. And if GT3 keeps developing to further insanity and GT4 evolves along similar lines, a GT5 class will come along to fill the hole again. It's actually a pretty smart system - you can let things evolve as participants want and always be ready to fill in the gaps that get left behind.

They just need to realign the bloody class numbers as they evolve! Let's be honest, GT3 is not GT3 anymore, and it should be renamed GT1(or GT2 depending on your viewpoint).
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