THE F1 COVID THREAD: Will GP be cancelled?

[Moneyseeker]

Originally Posted by coppice

The waivers are largely ineffective under UK law, and have been for decades . A cannot exclude B's right to take action in respect of injury, or death caused by A's negligence. It always amuses me to see ' you are here at your own risk' signs - they are as meaningless as 'trespassers will be prosecuted' (only in very limited circumstances is trespass a crime - it is a civil matter ).

Absolutely right, you cannot tranfer risk to the ticket purchaser by printing that something is dangerous on the ticket. You can put up whatever disclaimers you like - you stand here at your own risk, etc - if a car should clear the fence and cause death or injury where spectators are allowed or told to stand by the venue, the venue is liable for any claims or prosecution.

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[Greem]

A spectator lost sight in one eye at Mallory Park back in 2010 (I think) at a rallycross event when a stone hit them.

The operating company later went into liquidation and the court levied a fine of £1000 in 2014 (again, I think) because there was no legal entity to fully prosecute.

The case was brought using the Health and Safety at Work Act, so yes indeed, the disclaimers may be rubbish for some circumstances *but* they can support the operator when the ticket holder is the cause of an incident. Clear instructions, signage and restrictions are required and if someone is daft enough to ignore them then they may find themselves liable.

[The Fat Clerk]

I was Clerking that meeting and it happened right in front of Race Control, the poor chap was standing very close to a 'Motorsport is Dangerous' sign, in a public area.

[coppice]

For clarity remember that H &S fines and negligence claims are entirely separate, although both can arise out of the same incident. H&S can involve a criminal prosecution and criminal sanction such as a fine - and the fine doesn't get paid to the victim . A negligence claim is for damages , is made by the victim (or via his insurer , in the victim's name) and the money is payable to the victim .



In an extreme case there is also the spectre of corporate manslaughter.

[bjohnsonsmith]

There are some interesting observations from McLaren's Zak Brown, on the potential impact of Covid-19, in this interview with the BBC.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/52175140

[Peter Mallett]

New thread here. https://tentenths.com/forum/showthre...wpost&t=155071

[Moneyseeker]

The UK Open Golf championship cancelled now - that was going to be 16th to 19th July, so with that and Wimbledon this is two major UK sporting events now cancelled around the same time that the BGP is to be held...

Looking increasingly unlikely IMO.

[Moneyseeker]

Another major blow to F1, the UK government has chnaged it's travel advice for UK residents to avoid travelling abroad indefinately. This will be the end for the F1 season IMO as the majority of the teams are based here and if they make their employees travel abroad against governent guidance, they will likely have no insurance to cover them and possibly will be in breach of various employment legisllation about employee welfare, etc.

That folks, is it.


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[S griffin]

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves, unless and until they officially cancel it, we should not just claim it’s not going to happen

[Greem]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves, unless and until they officially cancel it, we should not just claim it’s not going to happen

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice

Originally Posted by UK GOV FCO

As countries respond to the COVID-19 pandemic, including travel and border restrictions, the FCO advises British nationals against all but essential international travel. Any country or area may restrict travel without notice. If you live in the UK and are currently travelling abroad, you are strongly advised to return now, where and while there are still commercial routes available. Many airlines are suspending flights and many airports are closing, preventing flights from leaving.

That's pretty well shut the door, hasn't it?

[S griffin]

We’ll see how long this lasts though. I was talking about cancelling the F1 season.

[Casper]

An announcement in Australia this morning may throw some doubt on next year's opening round. The New South Wales premier has announced that until there is a vaccine available then all measures on social distancing will stay in place. If this becomes a national or even just a Victorian as well then that would seem to scupper any sporting events and before anyone says run it without spectators that won't fly either. There is no way any pit stop could be done or any pit garage could be configured to meet the SD measures either. Oz has become one big jail and until a vaccine is proven effective and begun to be used I doubt any big sporting event is going to happen and certainly no event requiring a large importation of people into Oz to make it happen.

Other countries may take a more lenient view but the Oz government has gone hard core on prevention and recently told all people here on tourist visas to get out of the country and return home as there is no way they will get any financial assistance while they remain here. We have been told that the SD and ban on travel will last at least six months and then don't be surprised when it is extended and I will put money on it being extended.

I doubt that the AGP will be the only race affected next year and if that happens as seems likely F1 is definitely up that well known creek without a paddle so to speak. Let's see how it plays out over the next few months.

[hondafan37]

Originally Posted by S griffin

So many different layouts at Silverstone, they can use the full circuit, the national circuit, the south circuit, the full circuit with the old pits, the extended national, the bike circuit, the historic circuit. In fact they could even bring back bridge corner or maybe even run on the rallycross circuit! More than enough races

Good to see McLaren drivers voluntarily taking a pay cut, they know there are more important things at this time and will do anything to help muddy waters

If the objective is to save as much as possible in logistics, I wonder why not take advantage of all the very good European circuits that we have?
It occurs to me that a very good rescue schedule could be like this:

6/9 Silverstone
13/9 Donington
27/9 Magny Cours
4/10 Spa-Francorchamps
11/10 Zandvoort
25/10 Hockenheim
1/11 Nurburgring
8/11 Red Bull Ring
22/11 Sochi
29/11 Hungaroring
13/12 Imola
20/12 Monza
10/1/21 Paul Ricard
17/1/21 Barcelona
24/1/21 Portimao
7/2/21 Interlagos
21/2/21 Bahrein
28/2/21 Yas Marina

And this calendar includes 3 continents which gives it the validity of the world championship according to the FIA ​​regulations.

[Casper]

Not gonna happen even in your wildest hallucinations cause by whatever you are on at the moment.

[Armco Bender]

Probably only a small chance F1 will even get under way in 2021.
This virus is going to cause problems for a long time to come.

[Moneyseeker]

FOM now furloughing 50% of staff and pay cuts to others....

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[S griffin]

I have to say after the criticism F1 got for arriving in Australia for nothing, they seem to have handled the situation pretty well since then

[Peter Mallett]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/form...mpression=true. It's starting to bite.

[thetool]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/form...mpression=true. It's starting to bite.

Less weird URL (yours didn't load on PC for some reason) https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/52198033

[Peter Mallett]

Thanks.

[chillibowl]

to add another wrinkle in FOM's restart plans...with F1 teams retooling facilities to help with the health crisis, what are the optics of them retooling to go back to racing while the crisis is on going?

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/m...ction/4777958/

i would imagine the teams have their own plans to get back to racing as quickly as possible and of course there are other facilities making breathing aids but you just know at some point there will be a clickbait headlines like 'Mercedes stops fighting Covid' aimed at making the company and sport look bad.

anyways, any return to normalcy is going to be a dicey proposition imo.

[Moneyseeker]

Canada now officially postponed, which is likely to be cancelled looking at the windown to reschedule. France likely to be on the cusp of postponement looking at TDF for guidance. Austria has banned all sports events until end of June, Austria GP in July so may be impacted if the ban is extended.

UK government briefing tonight not that enouraging regarding the lifting of lockdown, so I expect Silverstone to annonce postponement of BGP in the next couple of weeks.

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[Lancsbreaker]

Official line seems to be that a decision on British GP will be made at end of month.

[S griffin]

I think it’s best we leave it for a bit longer. After all although there are signs that the lockdown is working, we aren’t out of the woods yet. Let’s see what the next few weeks bring

[Kingair]

Radio news reporting Canadian GP has been cancelled.