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Old Yesterday, 07:45 (Ref:3968710)   #5566
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It just becomes part of race strategy. Watch IndyCar races and you'll see some drivers use all of theirs early to gain an advantage, while others save as much as possible to as late as possible in the race to pounce on their rivals.

It can make for some really exciting race finishes.
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Old Yesterday, 08:13 (Ref:3968711)   #5567
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I genuinely donít see the point in it from a racing point of view.

If two drivers battling use it at the same time whilst battling, it will cancel each other out as neither will gain anything. If a driver behind uses it on a driver in front (who doesnít use it) well it will be a candy from a baby pass, and the guy in front likely wonít even fight it, so again, pretty pointless.
This exactly! It's hardly like drivers find it difficult to overtake with the current rules.
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Old Yesterday, 08:31 (Ref:3968714)   #5568
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I think possibly a few of us are looking at it from a different perspective to the organisers?

BTCC is not a series that has an issue with lack of overtaking, I totally agree with.
But, the 'push-to-pass' is not being introduced to give more overtaking.

BTCC has decided to introduce hybrid power, and so the 'challenge' is how to introduce it in a way that makes it obvious to the casual viewer that hybrid gives a benefit over conventional power.

If all cars had a system that directly complemented the existing drive train continuously, it would be difficult to highlight that in a simplistic manner.

This solution means that overtakes can be 'sold' to the viewer as being a demonstration that hybrid is better.
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Old Yesterday, 08:36 (Ref:3968715)   #5569
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Thatís understandable, but Le Mans prototypes didnít work that way. They just complimented the normal drivetrain.

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I think possibly a few of us are looking at it from a different perspective to the organisers?

BTCC is not a series that has an issue with lack of overtaking, I totally agree with.
But, the 'push-to-pass' is not being introduced to give more overtaking.

BTCC has decided to introduce hybrid power, and so the 'challenge' is how to introduce it in a way that makes it obvious to the casual viewer that hybrid gives a benefit over conventional power.

If all cars had a system that directly complemented the existing drive train continuously, it would be difficult to highlight that in a simplistic manner.

This solution means that overtakes can be 'sold' to the viewer as being a demonstration that hybrid is better.
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Old Yesterday, 08:44 (Ref:3968716)   #5570
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Thatís understandable, but Le Mans prototypes didnít work that way. They just complimented the normal drivetrain.
Yes, understand.

I wonder though, when hybrid power was first used in LMP, did the series organisers 'sell' the benefits of hybrid in any way?

LMP, IMO, tends to be more 'technical' and 'pure racing' in it's followership, whereas BTCC is more 'entertainment' focused.
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Old Yesterday, 09:23 (Ref:3968730)   #5571
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I think possibly a few of us are looking at it from a different perspective to the organisers?



BTCC is not a series that has an issue with lack of overtaking, I totally agree with.

But, the 'push-to-pass' is not being introduced to give more overtaking.



BTCC has decided to introduce hybrid power, and so the 'challenge' is how to introduce it in a way that makes it obvious to the casual viewer that hybrid gives a benefit over conventional power.



If all cars had a system that directly complemented the existing drive train continuously, it would be difficult to highlight that in a simplistic manner.



This solution means that overtakes can be 'sold' to the viewer as being a demonstration that hybrid is better.
The biggest example of this is F1, to the casual observer the cars just seem a lot quieter, do they even know they are massively sophisticated hybrid engines, does F1 even promote the use of this technology.

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Old Yesterday, 11:07 (Ref:3968746)   #5572
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So in case you missed the news, BTCC website has updated the driver and team pages.
http://www.btcc.net/2020/04/04/2020-...ages-now-live/
Good job the season didn't start on time, otherwise this would have been a bit late.

Points to note:
They had to truncate at least one team name on the index page - "MB Motorsport Accelerated by Blue" drops the 'Square'

Carl Boardley's car is missing most of it's sponsors and the rear half of the livery. After an off in testing at Brands Hatch they didn't have time to finish the car before the media day. Most of the photos from the media day show the other side of the car so it all looks ok.
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This exactly! It's hardly like drivers find it difficult to overtake with the current rules.
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I genuinely donít see the point in it from a racing point of view.

If two drivers battling use it at the same time whilst battling, it will cancel each other out as neither will gain anything. If a driver behind uses it on a driver in front (who doesnít use it) well it will be a candy from a baby pass, and the guy in front likely wonít even fight it, so again, pretty pointless.
When the Hybrid technology is fully introduced Iím sure itís planned success ballast will be done away with completely. And if you are more successful you get less electric power available. Or did I make this up?
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Old Yesterday, 15:38 (Ref:3968785)   #5574
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Gotta feel sorry for Howard Fuller waits years for another got at the BTCC. Gets a call up to drive the VW as a sub but surely if we get going at all this year he won't get any racing mileage?
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And even if if did, Bushell might have recovered enough to drive the car by the time we race again
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Old Yesterday, 19:21 (Ref:3968801)   #5576
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When the Hybrid technology is fully introduced Iím sure itís planned success ballast will be done away with completely. And if you are more successful you get less electric power available. Or did I make this up?
No you didn't. That's the plan. The ballast is gone in the hybrid era and the replacement is via the hybrid system. Part of the testing is to work out the best way to do that.
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The e-boost usage just is another level of strategy for the drivers to utilise, but it is reset every lap. Just like how tyres, brakes, etc need to be managed through the whole race.

It will ultimately show which chassis have the best mechanical grip, as drivers will want to be using it to pull them out of the corners.
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It will ultimately show which chassis have the best mechanical grip, as drivers will want to be using it to pull them out of the corners.
The latest article on btcc.net outlines some features that will be interesting to see how they are implemented and monitored.
One of these is how the system can only be used when at full traction. I wonder how they are planning on preventing mid-late corner applications?
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