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Old 19 Feb 2020, 08:16 (Ref:3958427)   #46
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Make stupid SUVs and lame cars



Not one interesting car in their stable.

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Clearly GM did follow Toyota then.....


No one has ever bought a Toyota because their 'interesting'. More like practical.

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Old 19 Feb 2020, 09:33 (Ref:3958451)   #47
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Old 19 Feb 2020, 10:31 (Ref:3958469)   #48
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Is it really that difficult?

Toyota make it look easy. Being a Toyota dealer is like a licence to print money!

It's a shame General Motors were not able to follow Toyota's example...
Licence to print money?

If it WERE that easy, everyone would be doing it. Used to be that a REALLY, REALLY well-run dealership in a capital city could make around 4% bottom line. These days that is more like 2%-2.5% - in a volume dealership that still equates to a lot of dollars due to the sheer volume of business but it's a small return in proportion to the amount spent and it doesn't take much for it to go South.

In comparing Holden to Toyota, you also need to bear in mind that other than the Aurion, which was half done here, Toyota was not designing, engineering and developing cars here in Australia - instead building Camrys here, which were designed and engineered elsewhere. With the VE Commodore alone reported as a billion dollar design / engineering exercise, clearly that makes a significant difference.
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Old 20 Feb 2020, 03:30 (Ref:3958648)   #49
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And not all importers and dealers get to sell Toyotas, Mazdas and Hyundais.
Those who think selling cars is easy should get themselves a line of credit and set up an Alfa Romeo,Peugeot or Citroen dealership.
I dont think Infiniti & Holden will be the only marques to leave Australia in this decade.
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Old 21 Feb 2020, 21:17 (Ref:3959131)   #50
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I've noted that GM have previously departed the UK and South Africa - could there be many RHD markets left where they still had a presence?
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I've noted that GM have previously departed the UK and South Africa - could there be many RHD markets left where they still had a presence?
UK went with Germany when they sold Vauxhall and Opel.

Offhand this left Australia, New Zealand and Thailand. Thailand has strong presence and manufacturing (of dumb trucks) but these 3 markets are 1% of global market, so RHD doesn't stack up.
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I was watching smith and sniff video podcast thing the other day and sniff mused that if Vauxhall just disappeared then, well, meh, whatever, no loss.

I’m interested from the Aussies, is that the feel of the Holden brand now? In the UK the only vaguely interesting Vauxhall product came from Australia!
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Old 21 Feb 2020, 23:44 (Ref:3959142)   #53
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I call myself a Holden fan, my first 2 cars were Holdens, but the 3 subsequent cars were not, and the next one wouldn't have been either.

I wear the merch and follow the racing and would have killed for a HSV in the shed, but real life dictated a smaller more economical car, and Holden really never consistently offered a car like the Golf GTIs I've driven now for 14 years.

I'm sad Holden is lost, I think the Federal Government was the catalyst if not the cause.

I think even if Abbott hadn't yanked the chain a couple of years ago today would have come, and those like me who say they love Holden but never bought one lately, have to take our medicine.

I have rented and enjoyed V8 Commodores in various guises but one never suited me for a primary car.
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Holden really never consistently offered a car like the Golf GTIs I've driven now for 14 years.
What do you mean "never consistently"? It was offered on three consecutive models of Astra.




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I’m a bit worried you’ve just proven Mixer’s point
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Holden Brand Gone!!!

To answer the question Adam, I’d have to say that the current offerings from Holden aren’t anything special, but then that could be said for a few different brands really.
When the cars were being engineered & built here, there were some gems & they’ll be missed, no question.
When it comes to racing, I’m not a fan of any brand particularly but I’ve gone the opposite way to Mixer & moved from Golf to VF Holdens for my last couple of rides, current one being an HSV. 3 years old now & over 100K km but I can’t see myself chopping it in anytime soon - bloody good thing & hard to see what I’d replace it with.
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I learnt to drive in an 1956 FJ Holden...and owned and drove several other Dunny Doors...

We only have a few years before we become a Chinese satellite province...start learning Mandarin and deal with it :-(

https://www.news.com.au/technology/i...61c86992abf809

https://www.alibaba.com/countrysearc...orts-cars.html

As Kenny Rogers used to sing: You gotta know when to Holden! Know when tah Foldem!

Our country is vast, BUT our population is relatively small...change to LHD, Sweden did a change overnight! That would allow a much larger choice of off-the-shelf vehicles (assuming we can cut through our volumes of red tape!)

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What do you mean "never consistently"? It was offered on three consecutive models of Astra.
yeah so the first one only 2 doors and was so bad Clarkson did donuts in it without touching the steering wheel, so bad was the torque steer.

2009-2014 you couldn't buy any in Australia.

From 2015 on you could buy the VXR, but again it was 2-door only. First it was a Holden, then it was an Opel, then it was a Holden again. Now its a Peugeot I guess.

And the Golf GTI from any of 3 generations that hail from this period in time thrash the Astra in every measurable metric, as does the equivalent Focus of the period.

Starting to tell a story.
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yeah so the first one only 2 doors and was so bad Clarkson did donuts in it without touching the steering wheel, so bad was the torque steer.

2009-2014 you couldn't buy any in Australia.

From 2015 on you could buy the VXR, but again it was 2-door only. First it was a Holden, then it was an Opel, then it was a Holden again. Now its a Peugeot I guess.

And the Golf GTI from any of 3 generations that hail from this period in time thrash the Astra in every measurable metric, as does the equivalent Focus of the period.

Starting to tell a story.
To be fair Clarkson cannot drive a soapy stick up a sheeps arse so that is not a fair assessment of any car's quality.....
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To be fair Clarkson cannot drive a soapy stick up a sheeps arse so that is not a fair assessment of any car's quality.....

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