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Old 22 Sep 2021, 16:56 (Ref:4075055)   #76
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Bruce McLaren drove one at 1965 Goodwood International Trophy Meeting-St.Mary's Trophy Race BSCC.....
Entered was#112 Nippon Racing Isuzu Bellett 1500 / Bruce McLaren (entered by Nippon Motor Co. )

Sadly he was a DNS on race day after a piston failure in practice

result/entry list http://touringcarracing.net/Races/1965%20Goodwood.html
Oh, of course, it was Bruce McLaren! Why did I think it was Gurney? Silly me! At least I got the car right and I knew a well-known F1 Driver of the era entered it.
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2008:

BTC Racing originally looked into upgrading to the Lexus IS220 before acquiring the ex-Motorbase SEATs.

Andy Neate was in the frame to join Team RAC until they signed Jelley. Wasn't this the year he had that big crash in Britcar?
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Thanks for this thread and the replies to it. I'm finding it all very interesting as I didn't know of most of these, and am enjoying contemplating what alternate BTCC histories could have been like.
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Thanks for this thread and the replies to it. I'm finding it all very interesting as I didn't know of most of these, and am enjoying contemplating what alternate BTCC histories could have been like.
You and me both.

Back on subject.

I know James Nash eventually drove the RML Lacetti in '09 but I vaguely remember him originally being linked to the 2nd Tempus Lacetti.
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Here are some I can remember from recent seasons. Lots of them were discussed on tentenths so you probably already knew them, but I'll write them anyway.

2021:
Crees was originally meant to drive the BTC car instead driven by Proctor.
Cammish was originally meant to drive the Dynamics car instead driven by Shedden/Rowbottom.
Bobby Thompson was heavily linked to both the Excelr8 car driven by Parfitt and the PMR car driven by Lloyd. Parfitt also linked to PMR.
Senna Proctor was in talks with Ciceley over the drive that went to Tom Chilton.
Tom Ingram was in talks with Motorbase/MB over a drive, with Osborne loaned to PMR. This never happened, of course.
Sutton was briefly linked with WSR. I doubt this was ever a serious possibility.

2020:
Jordan lost his WSR drive at the last minute.
Plato and Mat Jackson lost their PMR drives as the team pulled out at the last minute.
Dan Rowbottom lost his Ciceley drive to Jack Butel very late.
Mike Bushell was meant to drive for HARD, as was Howard Fuller as his replacement. Ollie Brown got the drive instead.

Before that, I didn't follow the silly season rumours, and just waited for the drives to be confirmed as fact. But these are a few little things I remember.
2019: Bushell was meant to drive for HARD, but pulled out and was replaced by Goff.
2018: Mat Jackson was signed for Motorbase, but left due to the possibility of a Team Dynamics drive that instead went to Cammish. I think Shedden was actually signed originally as well.
2017: Stewart Lines was supposed to drive the full season for Maximum, but was replaced by Josh Cook late on.
2016: I believe Handy Motorsport were going to run two cars for Austin and Belcher, but only ran Austin.
2015: Again, may be misremembering, but I think Alain Menu nearly got the second Motorbase drive that instead went to James Cole.
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Thorney Motorsport considered running a Range Rover Evoque in 2013.
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I just found a very early prediction I made for what I think was the 2017 driver lineups (as you can see it was extremely wrong!) It might have been 2016 given that there are lots of references to 2015 in there, but I think it was 2017. The majority of these were totally random guesses but I think some of them might have been based on actual rumours. I don't remember which ones, but I'll put it here to see if it stirs up any memories.

Team Dynamics
Gordon Shedden
Matt Neal

WSR
Rob Collard
Jack Goff
Aron Smith

Team BMR
Jason Plato
Colin Turkington
Warren Scott
Jake Hill

Motorbase
Mat Jackson
Ant Whorton-Eales

MG
Josh Cook
Ash Sutton

Eurotech
Andrew Jordan
Jeff Smith
Martin Depper

WIX Racing
Adam Morgan

Laser Tools
Aiden Moffat

Speedworks
Tom Ingram
Tom Wrigley

Dextra
Alex Martin

Handy
Rob Austin
Simon Belcher

Maximum
Stewart Lines

AmD Tuning
Mike Bushell
Hunter Abbott

Team HARD
Tony Gilham
Michael Epps

Support our Paras
Derek Palmer Jr
Richard Hawken

Power Maxed
Dave Newsham
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WSR intended to run two MGs in '05 but only Collard's entry appeared. Of the drivers linked to their 3rd entry in '06, I think Stuart Hall was one of them but there were so many, I lost track ('scuse the pun).

Vic Lee's team initially looked into running Lexus' in 2002 but stuck with the Pugs. I think Erdos and Eaves (and possibly Soper before he retired) would have been the drivers.

Eoin Murray would have continued into '08 had he had the funds.

I think Pickford expressed an interest in a 2007 return.

Erkut Kizilirmak tried but failed to run his Astra Coupe in the 2008 finale then sold it to the Boulevard team. He intended to return in 2010.
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2006:

HPI Racing looked into continuing with just one Lexus, most likely with Richard Williams driving, however this didn't happen and the cars later reappeared with BTC Racing.

Peter Dumbreck was linked to SEAT.

Jonathan Fildes was linked to a guest drive as a prize for winning the Clio Cup.

2007:

Geoff Steel Racing looked into upgrading to the E90 3 Series and expanding to two cars, hence why Kelvin Burt was linked to a return with the team, he would have been Martyn Bell's team-mate.

Darren Dowling was meant to do a full season with BTC Racing until they signed Leason. They did intend to sign someone else after Leason left but their 2nd car wouldn't be seen again until '08 when they hired Stuart Oliver.

James Kaye and Synchro Motorsport were looking to upgrade to a Super 2000 Civic but ultimately pulled out.

Rick Kerry and AFM Racing originally intended to run two cars.
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Peter Dumbreck was linked to SEAT.
I believe this was part of the shoot-out to decide the driver that would fill in for James Thompson when he was unavailable.

The seat, of course, went to Darren Turner. However, in addition to Dumbreck, I believe another driver to have tested for SEAT was Mat Jackson.
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I believe this was part of the shoot-out to decide the driver that would fill in for James Thompson when he was unavailable.

The seat, of course, went to Darren Turner. However, in addition to Dumbreck, I believe another driver to have tested for SEAT was Mat Jackson.
Yes and I believe MJ was linked with running an Independent SEAT in the 2007 BTCC before he acquired Priaulx's WTCC-winning Beemer.

Jonathan Adam looked into entering the BTCC in 2005 but decided against it.

Tom Coronel was interested in entering the BTCC full-time. I can't remember the year he was aiming for but I know it was after his one-off with SEAT in 2007.

After their failure to enter the Production Class in 2003, CMS Performance intended to enter Nick Leason in a Super 2000 Ford Focus in 2004, I remember Leason saying so when he drove the Daniels Motorsport Astra in the last two meetings of 2006.
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Aha! I knew it was definitely after '07 and definitely not '08.

From a previous thread but edited:

Steve Soper was offered the Nissan seat in 1999, oh if only he had taken it … (no offence to Aiello)

Dick Johnson & John Bowe were rumoured to drive a Trakstar Sierra in 1989 in the Donnington 1 Hour Endurance race in 1989.

Greg Murphy tested for Renault in late-1998 and his Vauxhall drive was to have been in 1999.
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Have either of the Coronel twins ever been rumoured to be in an Alfa Romeo?
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Have either of the Coronel twins ever been rumoured to be in an Alfa Romeo?
In BTCC or WTCC or some other touring car series? I've only ever known them to drive Beemers and SEATs.
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It was to be one of the MIL Supra Turbo's that Hodgetts was involved with. The programme wss run by Alex Moss and Dave Lampitt but iirc was late starting, underfunded and the cars were under developed.

Hodgetts, Moss himself, Vic Lee, and Mark Hales were amongst those who 'had a go' during the season.
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Just look at this! (Copied from http://web.archive.org/web/200211220...bulous.com:80/ but edited)

2003 Entry List - At the moment

James Thompson Vauxhall Motorsport Vauxhall Astra Coupé
Yvan Muller Vauxhall Motorsport Vauxhall Astra Coupé
Matt Neal Triple Eight Vauxhall Astra Coupé
Paul O'Neill Triple Eight Vauxhall Astra Coupé
Gavin Pyper GA Motorsport Vauxhall Astra Coupé
Paul O'Neill GA Motorsport Vauxhall Astra Coupé
Tom Chilton Barwell Motorsport Vauxhall Astra Coupé
Peter Cate Barwell Motorsport Vauxhall Astra Coupé
Anthony Reid MG Sport & Racing MG ZS
Warren Hughes MG Sport & Racing MG ZS
Mark Blundell MG Sport & Racing MG ZS
Matt Pinny Team Atomic Kitten MG ZS
Gareth Howell Team Atomic Kitten MG ZS
Tom Chilton Honda Racing Honda Civic Type-R
Jason Plato? / Rickard Rydell? Honda Racing Honda Civic Type-R
Alan Morrison Honda Racing Honda Civic Type-R
David Leslie Team Petronas Syntium Proton Proton Impian
Phil Bennett Team Petronas Syntium Proton Proton Impian
Dan Eaves Vic Lee Racing Peugeot 307?
Carl Breese Vic Lee Racing Peugeot 307?
Tim Harvey Vic Lee Racing Peugeot 307?
Spencer Marsh Beacon Motorsport
Beacon Motorsport
Hyla Breese York City Racing Honda Civic Type-R?
Jim Edwards Jnr York City Racing Honda Civic Type-R?

Blimey! Talk about early days yet!
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Don't worry - the predictions here were as lengthy:

BTCC Entry List 2003

BTC - T 2003

James THOMPSON GB
Vauxhall Motorsport
Vauxhall Astra Coupe
Confirmed

Yvan MULLER FR
Vauxhall Motorsport
Vauxhall Astra Coupe
Confirmed

?????
Triple Eight
Vauxhall Astra Coupe
Possible

?????
Triple Eight
Vauxhall Astra Coupe
Posible

Alan BLENCOWE? GB
Gary Ayles Motorsport
Vauxhall Astra Coupe
Confirmed

Gavin PYPER? GB
Gary Ayles Motorsport
Vauxhall Astra Coupe
Confirmed

Anthony REID? GB
MG Sport And Racing
MG ZS
Confirmed

Warren HUGHES? GB
MG Sport And Racing
MG ZS
Confirmed

Mark BLUNDELL
GB
MG Sport And Racing
MG ZS
Likely

?????
Team Atomic Kitten
MG ZS
Likely

?????
Team Atomic Kitten
MG ZS
Likely

Tom CHILTON GB
Honda Racing
Honda Civic Type-R
Confirmed

Matt NEAL? GB
Honda Racing
Honda Civic Type-R
Possible

Alan MORRISON GB
Honda Racing
Honda Civic Type-R
Confirmed

David LESLIE GB
Petronas Syntium Proton
Proton Impian
Confirmed

Phil BENNETT GB
Petronas Syntium Proton
Proton Impian
Confirmed

Dan EAVES? GB
Vic Lee Racing
Peugeot 307
Confirmed

Tim HARVEY? GB
Vic Lee Racing
Peugeot 307
Confirmed

Carl BREEZE? GB
Vic Lee Racing
Peugeot 307
Confirmed

Jim EDWARDS JNR? GB
Team Jet / York City / B&Q ???
Possible

Peter CATE / Hyla BREESE/ John B&Q GB
Team Jet / York City / B&Q ???
Possible

?????
Beacon Motorsport
???
Confirmed

?????
Beacon Motorsport
???
Confirmed

?????
Syncro Motorsport
Honda Civic Type-R
Possible

?????
Syncro Motorsport
Honda Civic Type-R
Possible



BTC - P 2003

Tom BOARDMAN? GB
Edenbridge Motorsport
BMW 320I
Likely

Norman SIMON? GER
Edenbridge Motorsport
BMW 320I
Likely

?????
Gary Ayles Motorsport
Alfa 156
Possible

?????
Gary Ayles Motorsport
Alfa 156
Possible

?????
Gary Ayles Motorsport
Alfa 156
Possible

?????
Syncro Motorsport
Honda Civic Type - R
Possible

?????
Syncro Motorsport
Honda Civic Type - R
Possible

?????
Barwell Motorsport
Honda Civic Type-R?
Confirmed

Simon GRAVES? GB
Barwell Motorsport
Honda Civic Type-R?
Confirmed

Mark FULLALOVE GB
Tech-Speed Motorsport
Peugeot 306 GT-i
Possible

Annie TEMPLETON? GB
Tech-Speed Motorsport
Peugeot 306 GT-i
Possible

Nick LEASON GB
CMS Motorsport
Ford Focus
Confirmed

Tom BOARDMAN? GB
VLR (possibly Halfords or Team B&Q)
Peugeot 307
Confirmed

?????
VLR (possibly Halfords or Team B&Q)
Peugeot 307
Confirmed
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Don't worry - the predictions here were as lengthy:

BTCC Entry List 2003

BTC - T 2003

James THOMPSON GB
Vauxhall Motorsport
Vauxhall Astra Coupe
Confirmed

Yvan MULLER FR
Vauxhall Motorsport
Vauxhall Astra Coupe
Confirmed

?????
Triple Eight
Vauxhall Astra Coupe
Possible

?????
Triple Eight
Vauxhall Astra Coupe
Posible

Alan BLENCOWE? GB
Gary Ayles Motorsport
Vauxhall Astra Coupe
Confirmed

Gavin PYPER? GB
Gary Ayles Motorsport
Vauxhall Astra Coupe
Confirmed

Anthony REID? GB
MG Sport And Racing
MG ZS
Confirmed

Warren HUGHES? GB
MG Sport And Racing
MG ZS
Confirmed

Mark BLUNDELL
GB
MG Sport And Racing
MG ZS
Likely

?????
Team Atomic Kitten
MG ZS
Likely

?????
Team Atomic Kitten
MG ZS
Likely

Tom CHILTON GB
Honda Racing
Honda Civic Type-R
Confirmed

Matt NEAL? GB
Honda Racing
Honda Civic Type-R
Possible

Alan MORRISON GB
Honda Racing
Honda Civic Type-R
Confirmed

David LESLIE GB
Petronas Syntium Proton
Proton Impian
Confirmed

Phil BENNETT GB
Petronas Syntium Proton
Proton Impian
Confirmed

Dan EAVES? GB
Vic Lee Racing
Peugeot 307
Confirmed

Tim HARVEY? GB
Vic Lee Racing
Peugeot 307
Confirmed

Carl BREEZE? GB
Vic Lee Racing
Peugeot 307
Confirmed

Jim EDWARDS JNR? GB
Team Jet / York City / B&Q ???
Possible

Peter CATE / Hyla BREESE/ John B&Q GB
Team Jet / York City / B&Q ???
Possible

?????
Beacon Motorsport
???
Confirmed

?????
Beacon Motorsport
???
Confirmed

?????
Syncro Motorsport
Honda Civic Type-R
Possible

?????
Syncro Motorsport
Honda Civic Type-R
Possible



BTC - P 2003

Tom BOARDMAN? GB
Edenbridge Motorsport
BMW 320I
Likely

Norman SIMON? GER
Edenbridge Motorsport
BMW 320I
Likely

?????
Gary Ayles Motorsport
Alfa 156
Possible

?????
Gary Ayles Motorsport
Alfa 156
Possible

?????
Gary Ayles Motorsport
Alfa 156
Possible

?????
Syncro Motorsport
Honda Civic Type - R
Possible

?????
Syncro Motorsport
Honda Civic Type - R
Possible

?????
Barwell Motorsport
Honda Civic Type-R?
Confirmed

Simon GRAVES? GB
Barwell Motorsport
Honda Civic Type-R?
Confirmed

Mark FULLALOVE GB
Tech-Speed Motorsport
Peugeot 306 GT-i
Possible

Annie TEMPLETON? GB
Tech-Speed Motorsport
Peugeot 306 GT-i
Possible

Nick LEASON GB
CMS Motorsport
Ford Focus
Confirmed

Tom BOARDMAN? GB
VLR (possibly Halfords or Team B&Q)
Peugeot 307
Confirmed

?????
VLR (possibly Halfords or Team B&Q)
Peugeot 307
Confirmed
At least the predictions placed only Boardman in two places at once.
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It was to be one of the MIL Supra Turbo's that Hodgetts was involved with. The programme wss run by Alex Moss and Dave Lampitt but iirc was late starting, underfunded and the cars were under developed.

Hodgetts, Moss himself, Vic Lee, and Mark Hales were amongst those who 'had a go' during the season.
Alex Moss never raced the Supra in the BTCC but Ian Flux did.
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Maybe Moss had stopped driving by that time. Can't remember really. Flux does rimg a bell now you mention it.
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Maybe Moss had stopped driving by that time. Can't remember really. Flux does rimg a bell now you mention it.
Alex Moss did race once in 1988, he shared Kevin Eaton's Corolla in the Donington 1 Hour Endurance race, it was his last ever appearance.
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