TCR Australia 2023

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Too early to start a roll call for next year?

Honda/Wall Racing:
Tony D’Alberto? (If the new cars won’t be delivered until April, does Honda Australia have any incentive to back an old model for half a year)
Any takers for the ex-STAN car?
What ever happened to John Martin?

Zac Souter - Presumably back again

Hyundai/HMO
3x Elantra’s or still an i30?
Nathan Morcom - ran at the front at Bathurst in Race 2, presumably has a drive as long as he wants it
Josh Buchan - setup for a championship challenge
Bailey Sweeney - Super2?

Luke King - Presumably back again?

Audi/MPC
Jay Hanson - Super 2?
Will Brown - Probably depends on liqui Moly
Michael Clemente - a one off at Bathurst or now a full year with them?
Lachlan Mineef - found form at Bathurst , back again?
Any more new spec Audi’s coming?

Peugeot:
Aaron Cameron - made noises on the parked up podcast he was moving to super 2 next year
Dylan O’Keefe - concentrate on Porsches?
Jordan Cox - setup to chase the title next year
Ben Bargwanna - presumably back again

Renault:
Are they still going to press on with them?
Does Moffat want a quicker car?
Kody Garland again or does another graduate of the Ambrose combine take the spot?

ASM - only a one car effort and only team with an Alfa, would they move on next year?
Michael Caruso - does he want to still run mid-pack? Does he need a full season drive to stay relevant for Supercars co-driving duties?

Brad Shiels/Tilton?
The ex-Mineef Volkswagons
Braydon Willmington
Toyota?
Lynk & Co?
Cupra?

Not a lot of news yet and not really that long until round 1 next year. Is that a worry? Next year is supposed to be the biggest yet for TCR Australia with two rounds of the World Series after all

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

My understanding is that the car used, previously carried the Stan livery.

Was definitely the Clemente car, had all his sponsor signage and his name still on the passenger dashboard area

[cavvy]

'Cyan Racing will make its Australian debut when it competes in this year’s TCR World Tour round at Bathurst.

The Swedish squad will compete in the inaugural nine-round world series, which includes an outing at the Supercheap Auto Bathurst International, which is set to be held at Mount Panorama on November 10-12.

In addition to the Bathurst outing, a second TCR World Tour round is expected to be held in Australia this year, with discussions underway with circuit owners about hosting opportunities.'

https://www.speedcafe.com/2023/01/07...an-racing-tcr/

I was fortunate to be around in 1987.

My only concern is support the coverage on Stan will generate.

[GTRMagic]

When the FIA mob were officiating technical scrutineers in each of 1987 and 1988, they seemed to be interested in measuring race car dimensions with representative road cars. From memory it meant a quorum of road going Ford Sierras, and a large number of HSV TWR VL Group A Commodores were unofficially barred from the circuit, lest the cars get measured..

Now to do that with a CYAN, a road going version might need to actually exist…

[Umai Naa]

Hence the majority of the WTCR paddock being happy to see the back of them when they stomped out.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Now to do that with a CYAN, a road going version might need to actually exist…

Or someone might want to see a car sold at an agreed price, and a genuine factory team not actually operating?

[FIRE]

Correct me if I am wrong but the Lynk & Co 03 is only on sale in China.
In two years time the 01 is sold almost 4000 times in The Netherlands.

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Or someone might want to see a car sold at an agreed price, and a genuine factory team not actually operating?

Mattias Andersson

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by FIRE

Mattias Andersson

Where?

The only other cars are the cars "sold" and running in China... by Geely Motorsport

So not sold at all.

Should have been DQ'd from their first WTCR for noncompliance within 90 days, but organisers have no balls.

[pimmy]

There are Lynk & Co's in South America too.

[JMeissner]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Where?

The only other cars are the cars "sold" and running in China... by Geely Motorsport

So not sold at all.

Should have been DQ'd from their first WTCR for noncompliance within 90 days, but organisers have no balls.

Let's stick to facts, please.

No rules were broken by them.

Cars are being independently run in South America: https://www.tcr-series.com/news/item...e-lynk-co-cars
And Scandinavia: https://www.stcc.se/team-stcc/tba-4/

The 03 is Lynk & Co's most sold model in China, launched in 2018: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynk_%26_Co_03
And the 01 model is available in Europe since 2021: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynk_%26_Co_01

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by JMeissner

No rules were broken by them.

TCR cars are meant to be sold at a fixed price to teams on request within 90 days of competition.

Lynk and Co didn't sell a car for 3 years. They are 100% factory team and gamed BOP by never allowing cars into National TCR competitions.

Organisers should have stood up to them but they pandered because it's China.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Mixer

TCR cars are meant to be sold at a fixed price to teams on request within 90 days of competition.

Lynk and Co didn't sell a car for 3 years. They are 100% factory team and gamed BOP by never allowing cars into National TCR competitions.

Organisers should have stood up to them but they pandered because it's China.

So who ordered cars that Lynk & Co failed to deliver to?

Let's assume the following:

Lynk & Co completed the development of the 03 just prior to the start of the 2019 World Touring Car Cup and completed the WSC Technical process. At this time, it would be highly likely that no other competitor would place an order for the 2019 season.

Having then competed in the 2019 World Touring Car Cup an entry was completed in TCR China.
Since then, the car has competed in South America and Scandinavia.

3 years? - they sold cars in years 1, 2 and 3.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

So who ordered cars that Lynk & Co failed to deliver to?

Someone in APAC with serious racing pedigree had an immediate standing order for a car and it was never available.

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Having then competed in the 2019 World Touring Car Cup an entry was completed in TCR China.
Since then, the car has competed in South America and Scandinavia.

The China team is arms length from manufacturer, or not even - branded as Geely motorsport.

By the time these other cars got out they'd already bagged titles and ****ed off Hyundai - easily sandbagging for favourable BoP.

The point of TCR is worldwide customer racing that provides fair and balanced racing.

You think after they won their first title more people didn't want to buy cars?

Lynk and Co did not ever compete in the spirit of the rules like Honda, Hyundai, Audi etc all have.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Someone in APAC with serious racing pedigree had an immediate standing order for a car and it was never available.

Which team?
When was the order placed?
How does that order date align with the WSC registration?

[Mixer]

Someone with SERIOUS racing cred.

Order placed almost immediately after deal was struck for TCR to run here.

There was never any progress on the order. This car was never openly for sale at an agreed price, which is the rules for TCR.

Perhaps ask why China and Scandinavia would have cars running? I wonder where Cyan and Geely are...