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Very odd that regs are not available. I know they have fairly decent grids but if things were a bit more transparent and logical (to my mind!) they would have even more. Still, it is Julius’ trainset and he can play with it how he likes! Julius has had a Giulietta for sale for a long time. |
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All this talk of eligibility, cost etc and we don’t even know if the event will go ahead! As it has relied in the past on sharing temporary infrastructures with the GP, I have my doubts.......
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27 Apr 2020, 12:59 (Ref:3973118) | #28 | ||
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Now (if it happens) the Silverstone BGP will be a behind closed doors event only, do we really think that a big public event like the SC will run only 2 weeks later? |
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Nope, personally I dont think so, and I had two cars entered I cant see the SC happening this year but thats my own personal opinion RuE |
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According to today's Times, the GP plans are for "closed door" GPs on successive weekends - 19th and 26th July, so only a week's gap to the Classic...... Can't see any chance of it happening, I'm afraid. |
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F1 exists for the competition. The crowd is secondary to the result. Appendix K highlights that classic racing is about the cars. At the Classic the whole racing programme is a tremendous backdrop to a great weekend of socialising. It won't be the usual great motorsport Festival without the crowds, so sadly I have to draw a similar conclusion.
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You would have to move it a month to see if you could run some sort of public event by then, but Silverstone has the Moto GP last weekend in August and BTCC in September and I believe and they need to offer MG Live and World GT/British GT and BSB postponed slots. The could try for what was the previous WEC slot 4-6 September. |
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I think the bigger issue for the Silverstone Classic, is what makes it so special...
...its a festival at the end of the day with unrivalled fan access, concerts, fun fair, car shows and racing cars that you don't often see etc... ...lets be honest (and no disrespect meant), can you really see fans having the same level of garage access, concerts, the fun fair being able to be used and the same number of special cars being shipped over and racing? ...it will basically be 'just another' HSCC/ Masters meeting..again no disrespect meant, because theres nothing wrong with that at £20 a ticket, but at £150 a ticket, fans expect more than just the racing....im not sure you can make an event like the Silverstone Classic, financially viable without all the other stuff that goes on at the event. |
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There are bigger things happening in the world than concerning yourself with the merits of having a festival. The bits and pieces will probably not be allowed so what is the point in running an event that is going to
lose a boat load of money . It won’t happen but I would put money on the first meaningful event Goodwood Revival. The French have given a date of 1/9 before anything happens and Belgium is in an awful situation so why run 6 hrs If you can run 6 hrs it’s possible to run a GP same weekend? Lots up in the air! Anyway no Pre War at Silverstone so not to worry! |
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huh its almost like I missed the part where the world is up the sh!tter at the moment. ;-p
Of course there are bigger things in the world to worry about right now, but while its just a festival to me and you its also peoples work and livelihoods at stake..and that's not just confined to motorsport. Im lucky to be in work at the moment, and live in the countryside so the effects have been relatively minimal so far, but I feel for those who have lost jobs and loved ones over this. The sooner we can safely get people back to work....and motorsport back on its wheels the better. |
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30 Apr 2020, 11:49 (Ref:3973777) | #36 | ||
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I think historic motorsport is at the bottom of the motorsport pyramid and it’s a lot of fairly old blokes playing with old bags of bolts.
All other motorsport will be considered much more important than Historics and will be first in any queue. As many of us old farts are over sixty will probably still be in lockdown! Your back at work bit will probably be next year as far as Historics are concerned . That’s reality. Get the money producers back to work Many preparation people rely on road cars rather than race prep. People will have a smaller disposable income so that will have an effect It is probable that gatherings of over 500 people will not be allowed until Autumn at the earliest That puts kybosh on most things Get ready to be disappointed! |
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oh don't get me wrong I think youre absolutely correct....as awful as it sounds.
tbh id take any form of motorsport right now...definitely need the series that make money back first like F1, WEC, GT3, BTCC etc...which can be shown live on TV but behind closed doors if required ...then theres the matter of medical cover/ marshals etc etc. ….In that respect you might find track days back first, especially when they are good earners for circuits and need less infrastructure. … I actually think other forms of motorsport like hillclimb/ sprints and short oval racing may come back sooner than others because of the lack of infrastructure required and less risk (single car) of hillclimbs/ sprints |
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Of course. If anyone can find me a decent Aero Singer they could make some money now!
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What's an Aero Singer John ? based on the 9 or LeMans ? THey did an Hillman Aero?
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Stuart Pringle from Silverstone Circuit saying it is not a given that they will be able to meet the strict government guidance on public gatherings for the British GP, even without any spectators, so how the SC intends to run a week later with 40,000 crowd is anyone's guess. I can't see you will be able to have that sort of gathering at all this year.
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Virtual historic racing may well be the future. Arthurs got a new driving sim game, I gave him an old motalita wheel, we were doing laps of the old Full Spa circuit the other evening. most impressive.
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Now you know what Burnenville, Masta and Stavelot mean. Yes it was really impressive bearing in mind that sometimes only one part was wet the other being dry. Closer from now, do you remember the left curve after bus stop and before F1 pits? Tricky in the wet with some ponnies under the pedal… Sorry, not Silverstone!
Are you talking about some thing like this, John? https://www.artcurial.com/fr/lot-193...-mans-1957-210 |
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The Singer is a 1936 1.5 Aero Saloon
There is one in Caister Car Collection in not so good condition ! |
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Burnenville, one of worlds great corners
Sat on outside during 67 practise with DSJ and he explained to me why Jim Clark was one of the great drivers.Would walk between cars to pub on inside of corner opposite the barns It would be nothing now as the whole of the track would be flat as far as Stavelot. The 1000ks won by the Mirage was pretty special . Spent that between Stavelot and Eau Rouge with a fiddled photographers pass |
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But will both competitors and marshals want to attend given many of them are in the vulnerable age range? Many of the medics will have been working flat out and want a holiday. I think the whole season needs knocking on the head.
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I 'd argue that behind F1 and BTCC , historic racing is the biggest branch of the sport. We have no modern single seater racing , GT gets so -so crowds but the biggest crowds I see are Goodwood (MM - I don't do the Revival now) , the Classic , Gold Cup and VSCC / CSCC /HSCC events get good crowds at the right circuit in decent weather Historic racing has a far wider demographic than you suggest - of course there's old farts like me , but I see plenty of youngsters too. Why not when you can buy an FF1600 which doesn't lose value , and enjoy close racing for a fraction of modern single seaters , assuming you can find any. I expect no events to take place this year which people like us can attend - I am happy to grasp that nettle now and wish reality would kick in for organisers who think things will be back to normal in 3 months |
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I've always said it'll be the grass roots that get underway first. No infrastructure needed. Zef you're late to the party. There's a Legends e-sports series using "Brabham BT44" and "McLaren M23". IIRC Jenson Button and Emerson Fittipaldi were among the entrants. But the Real Thing at Silverstone? There's no way enough spectators will be allowed to make it viable. Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk |
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I too very much doubt the Classic will go ahead
But if you think about the event running without spectators, then the amount of infrastructure required would be very much smaller. At that point the costs would fall dramatically. Race entrance fees at that meeting are far higher than everywhere else, somewhere near £1m, so there would be enough money in the coffers somewhere to make it happen If you close all the catering outlets, ban all the individual race organiser hospitality trucks and make everyone bring their own sandwiches then you might actually get back to having an event which was nearer to what they were when the cars were new. No crowds and no poseurs, it could be the best Silverstone Classic ever!!!! |
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