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View Poll Results: Is it time to award the ATCC & Bathurst 1000 for TCR?
Yes, within 1-2 years 7 24.14%
Maybe later (in 3-6 years time?) 6 20.69%
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Old 24 Jun 2020, 12:55 (Ref:3983579)   #61
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No because the RECs are a shareholding in the business. The REC income is a dividend to a shareholder.
REC is a clique designed to save the backside of the scrubbers like Paul Morris at the time, who'd have been vulnerable to failing to qualify by new entrants.

It's designed to keep out prospective competitors unless they have billions.

I don't blame ARG for doing what they have, it's BIG money and they wanted to make a splash.

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But you can't take it seriously here yet when it only exists at the behest of the organiser.

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The series exists at the behest of CAMS/MA.

It's not a question of being unable to take it seriously, because you'd have picked any hole to diminish the series.

Regardless of any success TCR generates, you'll continually move the posts. You will also resent any such success.
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Old 25 Jun 2020, 11:36 (Ref:3983760)   #62
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Blah blah blah

I have watched more TCR than Supercars in the last year. I enjoyed it.

But it is not a serious independent series yet. It is a show put on by the promoter.

The stuff above about RECs is unhinged conspiracy claptrap.

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Old 25 Jun 2020, 11:49 (Ref:3983766)   #63
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But it is not a serious independent series yet. It is a show put on by the promoter.
Of course it was, I thought that was the aim of any promoter, why would they promote if that was not the end goal?
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Old 25 Jun 2020, 13:25 (Ref:3983787)   #64
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So let's give out Logies instead of the ATCC then

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Old 26 Jun 2020, 00:22 (Ref:3983884)   #65
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So let's give out Logies instead of the ATCC then

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Probably appropriate, we’ve been told V8Supercars are entertainment and not sport since 1997
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Old 26 Jun 2020, 03:50 (Ref:3983901)   #66
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Probably appropriate, we’ve been told V8Supercars are entertainment and not sport since 1997
I feel that this is where motorsport in Australia is off the rails. It is after all motorSPORT.
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Old 26 Jun 2020, 04:43 (Ref:3983909)   #67
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Tell it to AFL, NRL, cricket, tennis eh

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Old 26 Jun 2020, 14:06 (Ref:3984015)   #68
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I feel that this is where motorsport in Australia is off the rails. It is after all motorSPORT.
It is a method to make a whole lot of money for some people like it or not and people like Cochrane have done just that for better or worse. I think he was very clever as no one else had the foresight to do the same. The sport is an anachronism from before people were making money out of it and is now only truly found in amateur levels of motor sport.
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Old 26 Jun 2020, 23:27 (Ref:3984107)   #69
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I think he was very clever as no one else had the foresight to do the same.
No one else had been allowed to do the same before IMG/Tony Cochrane came on the scene

CAMS only handed over category management rights to TEGA at the end of 1995, who then got into bed with Cochrane during 1996 and then the BS started for the 1997 season
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Old 27 Jun 2020, 00:42 (Ref:3984114)   #70
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No one else had been allowed to do the same before IMG/Tony Cochrane came on the scene

CAMS only handed over category management rights to TEGA at the end of 1995, who then got into bed with Cochrane during 1996 and then the BS started for the 1997 season
Yes, but he would have had everything in place to proceed knowing what was going to happen v's us already in motor sport who never saw the potential or anyone else for that matter. Speculation might also suggest he encouraged the change to the new regime as well.
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Old 27 Jun 2020, 01:31 (Ref:3984120)   #71
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No one else had been allowed to do the same before IMG/Tony Cochrane came on the scene



CAMS only handed over category management rights to TEGA at the end of 1995, who then got into bed with Cochrane during 1996 and then the BS started for the 1997 season
I love how the longest period of stability and prosperity - more than 25 years in fact, is when you think "the BS started"

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Speculation might also suggest he encouraged the change to the new regime as well.
Interesting theory

Facts show though that other organisations had obtained category rights management agreements from CAMS for other categories before the start of the 1995 season, while after long negotiations TEGA didn’t obtain the V8 rights until the end of 1995, and the deal with IMG and Tony Cochrane not announced until September 1996, and influencing only from the start of 1997

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I love how the longest period of stability and prosperity - more than 25 years in fact, is when you think "the BS started".
Picking fights and putting down other categories, going to war with existing events and categories

That sort of BS was not around prior to September 1996
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Picking fights and putting down other categories, going to war with existing events and categories

That sort of BS was not around prior to September 1996
Neither were street races and 200 million dollar TV contracts, so you know, ying and yang.
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Facts show though that other organisations had obtained category rights management agreements from CAMS for other categories before the start of the 1995 season, while after long negotiations TEGA didn’t obtain the V8 rights until the end of 1995, and the deal with IMG and Tony Cochrane not announced until September 1996, and influencing only from the start of 1997







Picking fights and putting down other categories, going to war with existing events and categories



That sort of BS was not around prior to September 1996
Oh right like the category that described V8s as "dinosaurs"? Alan Gow and by proxy Kelvin O'Reilly didn't spare the whip either so let's not revise history just because one died within 2 years and one went on for more than 10 times that...

Just quietly the head of any organisation is out to push the interests of that organisation above all others. Whether it be sport or business, or a sport that runs as a business, this is how it works. If someone was out competed by Supercars then they simply needed to recruit better.

Very good CEOs are rarely popular because they get **** done.

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Neither were street races and 200 million dollar TV contracts, so you know, ying and yang.
Still would have happened without going to war with other categories. Other categories might have been able to prosper alongside as well

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Oh right like the category that described V8s as "dinosaurs"? Alan Gow and by proxy Kelvin O'Reilly didn't spare the whip either so let's not revise history just because one died within 2 years and one went on for more than 10 times that...

Just quietly the head of any organisation is out to push the interests of that organisation above all others. Whether it be sport or business, or a sport that runs as a business, this is how it works. If someone was out competed by Supercars then they simply needed to recruit better.

Very good CEOs are rarely popular because they get **** done.
Please show me the quotes where Alan Gow and Kelvin O’Reilly themselves describe V8s as dinosaurs?

The organisers of the Bathurst 1000, which didn’t involve Gow or O’Reilly, may have said that, but only after negotiations with AVESCO had fallen over

In 1996 no other categories were ‘competing’ with Supercars, Australian motor racing was competing with other sports. In 1997 it was AVESCO that suddenly decided other motor racing categories were the enemy, not other sports
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