Brabham BT21

[Hagis]

Chris Townsend: Just jumping from the BT 28 thread. About the Jörgen Ellekaer BT 21. From the Danish book "The three racing musketeers" you can read that he bought it new in 1967. He was obviously low on money then as the family carpet business had to pay for it, accounted as kitchen furniture. Chassis no was BT 21-39 from the book and also in an old Roskilde program. For 1968 the car was updated with a downdr. head and other modifications so at some races it was entered as BT21/21B. Ellekaer then sold the car to Tony Hansen. I think Hansen did some races in 1969, but didn´t he race FF in GB then? Think so.
I will come back with other BT 21s later.

[Chris Townsend]

Hagis, thanks for this. I was wondering if Ellekaer had a BT21 followed by a 21B or if he just updated it. Tony Hansen did indeed race it in UK as a FF and then sold it to Jeff Todd. Just to keep my records right, what date was the Roskilde programme with the chassis number in it?

Chris

[Hagis]

Hi Chris!

The Roskilde Ring program is from Copenhagen Cup, May 26, 1968. There was also Ole Vejlund entered by Tattersall Racing in BT21-42 hired from Frank Williams. Might have a spare program for you.

[275 GTB-4]

Originally Posted by Hagis

He was obviously low on money then as the family carpet business had to pay for it, accounted as kitchen furniture.

Or, just maybe, it was more tax-effective to buy it this way

[Hagis]

275 GTB-4: (Wish I had one)

Yes, could be, or both. Ellekaer was playing cards for money, and high stakes, so sometimes he could have cheque worth £ 40-50.000,and sometims nothing. In fact one earlier car was bought for money he "earned" during a 36 h. play stint. Just he had to pay for the car before the others wanted revenge.

[Chris Townsend]

Originally Posted by Hagis

Hi Chris!

The Roskilde Ring program is from Copenhagen Cup, May 26, 1968. There was also Ole Vejlund entered by Tattersall Racing in BT21-42 hired from Frank Williams. Might have a spare program for you.

Thanks Hagis. By July BT21-42 was being driven by Indian racer Kinny Lall, entered by Paul Watson, so it looks as though the car changed hands mid season. This would tally with Motoring News piece on Vejlund 13 Feb 1969, where it says he did the first two 1968 Scandanavian races with a Williams B21 before getting a new Titan.

Chris

[Hagis]

Chris,

Sounds realistic. Vejlund was 3rd at the Roskilde Grand Prix on August 17-18 -68 in the Titan, though he retired at Karlskoga the week before.

[Hagis]

Now I have made a clenup in my notes of Swedish, well Scandinavian, BT21s.

BT21-3 1967 Jens Heggov (Denmark), 1968 Jean Johansson (Sweden), 1969 Roger Hansen (Norway). It was reputed to be "ex Sports Motors" from late 1966, bought from Frank Williams. Could that be right with the chassis no??
BT21-10 1967(May) Lars Elgén, 1968 Rolf Tellsten, 1969 Conny Andersson. Have note it could be "ex Wingfield"??
BT21-21 Mike Keens ?? 1968 Ulf Karlsson to Kaj Berglund. Much ?? marks here though.
BT21-26 1967 Curt Lincoln, 1968 Matti Lamminen (both Finland), 1969, (1st half) Rolf Gröndahl, 1969 (2nd half) Ole Vejlund (Denmark). They obviously swopped cars, Vejunds Tecno to Gröndahl. (As it showed, neither of them liked the Tecno which in -70 went to Jean Johansson).
BT21-31 1967 Ulf Svensson (ca 25 races), 1968 Rolf Gröndahl, 1969 Jean Johansson.
BT21-32 1969 Eddie Jacobsson. Have a note this should be "ex Haglund". Some races in 1968 though, Haglund raced "BT18/21". Maybe he got a "proper" BT21 during the season??
BT21-37 1967-68 Ingvar Pettersson
BT21-38 1967 Lars Lindberg, 1968 Gunnar Martinsson
BT21-39 1967-68 Jörgen Ellekaer, 1969-70 Tonny Hansen (Both Denmark)
BT21-44 1968 and half -69 Jonas Qvarnström.
That´s what I have, and as you see also some question marks.

[Chris Townsend]

Hagis

Thank you! Once again amazingly useful stuff.

A few notes of my own
44 was Juoko Valli's car at one point in 1967

10 The connection back to Mervyn Wingfield sounds plausible. He had an early BT21 but disappeared early in the season after a big accident, so it looks like the car was rebuilt and sold to Elgen

3 The connection back through Williams is certainly plausible. This would be one of the cars taken to the late 1966 series in South America.

Chris

[Hagis]

Chris

Re. BT21-3: Yes it came back from South America. My "Danish book" in fact states that it was raced by an Argentinian driver. Though I must correct myself; the name of the driver for 1967 was Jan Heggov.

[Axel Pilz]

Originally Posted by Steve Wilkinson

It will be interesting to hear what the FIA papers claim for the car, I suspect it might have been hillclimbed rather than run in Formula Atlantic!

Hi there
the FIA Papers claim for a BT21(B) Formula Atlantik with 1600ccm TwinCam Engine. Chassis AM 215 DC/27
I got this engine and will replace the installed 1600ccm Cosworth BDD Atlantic engine from 1971.

[Chris Townsend]

Following on from Hagis's excellent contributions, this is an effort to move forward the BT21/21Bs. These are the only cars now where I have gaps in the record for 1967

1: Perhaps taken to Temporada, but chances are it came back [this is not the same car as BT21 [F2.20.66] which was the prototype and used by John Kendall in 1967
6:
7: Sold to Graham Baker [NZ] at end of 1967 European season
10: Is a problem because Hagis gives this for Scandanavia in late 1967 and ex Wingfield, whereas I have 10 as Sports Motors for Gethin. I can't remember where this attribution comes from, but I wonder if it shouldn't be 1
17 This is Peter Fattorini's car I think, to Stiller early 68. Jeff Uren buys an ex Stiller car in 1968 and it has to be the ex Fattorini one as Bond is using one of the Stiller 1967 cars and Beuttler the other. F1R gives this number for a Uren car in 1969 and it's in the right delivery period for Fattorini's first appearance
20: Used by Ganley in 1968 but unknown 67
22
23
24
25 Italy?
27
33 Lythgoe in 1968 with a 2.0 BMW engine, also Lythgoe for Gethin in 67?
[by this time we are into April 67 delivery cars and 33 would be too late to account for Gethin's early 67 appearances]
34
40
45 A Jeff Uren team car as late as 1970 and probably one of Uren's cars all the way back to 68
46 Ian Walker in 1968, also Walker in late 67?

Some unaccounted early season owners [appearing March, so in chassis 1-27...
Stiller [main car for 1967, to Jean Allen Racing for Bev Bond. Known history to early 1970, even if we don't know chassis no means that this can only be
1; 6 [maybe]; 22; 23; 24; 27]
Tico Martini [Winfield Racing] 28 is the other Winfield car
Roger Woodward [MRS owned? probably therefore an Ikuzawa car later in the season and then to Fraser for Ray Calcutt et al.
Jurg Dubler, with Luigi Petri by 1969 with several dozen rentadrivers in between
Mauro Montagnani
Carlos Gaspar, goes to Bill Gowdy 1969 then Gerry Cruise 1970, "Beattie" 1971
David Bridges: Malcolm Smith
Alain Francheschi
Joe Grimaldi [US FC]

At the moment I'm discounting all t/c engined BT21s in US as being real 21As, with possible exception of 48 which seems to be a late season US car.

Chris

[Chris Townsend]

And this is an attempt to move BT21Bs forward now that a lot of the BT21s that were called Bs in 68 have been weeded out...

1: Mike Keens, to Matts Bystrom 1969
2: Unknown, but more or less has to be Williams early season
3: John Epton, wrecked Oulton Park, rebuilt 69 for Jim Hardman and Mike Beuttler until his BT28 delivered
4: Dave Williamson; 1969 Brendan McInerney, then Geoff Friswell
5: Peter Knoll [USA FC]
6: Williams [Supercarwash Team France] Patrick Champin
7: Williams [Supercarwash Team France] Jean-François Gerbault
8: Kurt Lincoln to Rolf Tellsten 1969 then to Rolf Grondahl to replace his damaged BT28 May-June 70
9:
10:
11:
12:
13:
14: Goodwin Racing: George Lewis, then Cyd Williams, retained 1969 then 1970 Chris Montague
15: Roger Hickman [H/C] to Andy Sutcliffe 1970 destroyed
16: Bob Ilich [Australia]
17: Jonas Qvanstrom [May]
18: Barrie Maskell, to Brian Robinson late seasn 1971 Barry Hopwood as FF
19: Rolf Tellsten [July?]
20: Not known until 1971 when used as FF in USA by Robert Cavanaugh
21:
22:
23:
24: Williams [Guthrie F3 and others?] to Tasman for Guthrie then to Matt Spitzley as FB
25:
26: Williams: Ikuzawa [June]
27: Bridges: Norman Foulds [or is this his BT21 updated]
28: Lythgoe: Gethin [new at Monaco] then Berry and Rollinson; used by Rollinson 1969 then via Bob Howlings to Spencer Elton
29:
30:
31:
32: Williams for Ikuzawa latish in season, then to Italy

Given that 21 is likely to be a May delivery, we could start by using that gap 9-13 to account for the following
Peter Westbury
P&M a fourth car for Trotter [might be updated BT21] goes to Louis Parsons with an SCB for libre racing 1969-70 and raced in Libre
Peter Fattorini which then goes to Paul Craven 1969 and John Leak 1970
Ove Niklasson [doesn't appear till April so might be in the 20-23 gap]
Ulf Svensson, goes to Torsten Palm 1969
Simon Saye
Bernhard Baur [Midland Racing]
Graham Coaker is said to have a BT21B in March 68 which goes to Bert Hawthorne [F3 in UK] early 69 then David Martell [Sept 69]
Wayne Mitchell also has a new BT21B in May I think

Chris

[allenbrown]

There is one BT21 or BT21A that we don't seem to have mentioned yet, that of Albert Poon in South-East Asia. This is the car he ran before the BT30.

It was fitted with an Alfa engine at first and is presumably the car he entered at Macau Nov 1967. He won at Batu Tiga in April 1968, then retired at Singapore and at Macau later that year and at Singapore and at Batu Tiga again in April 1969. The car may have had a Ford engine fitted towards the end of this period.

Anyone have anything on this car?

[KevinT]

BT21-12 F3 (Frame AM185). I am now missing just one owner between Fred Opert in 1969 and John Ranson 1971. John cannot remember who he purchased the car from but has provided the following: "The car was advertized in AutoWeek in the spring of 71, probably in March or April", "owner lived in Old Saybrook Connecticut", "car was burgundy red", "car had recently had damage to front"

Can anyone help me out with the appropraite old copy of AutoWeek or any other info from this period. The car would have most likely been run in SCCA FC probably as 1100cc.

Kevin

[eric petersen]

Hello Brabham Community ,

here i will tell you that here is a new owner of the Brabham BT 21 Chassis No 11.

My Name is Eric Petersen and i am located in South-Germany ( Freiburg - Black Forrest )

The Car is the # 11 from 67´and was perfect and complet rebuilt by Urban Fässler - Swiss
which are the previos owner before, for over 22 Years ( Thank you Urban for the fantastic car ! )

The F3 Driver 1967 and first owner was Kurt Ahrens jr. and it has won some races with the car :
1967 - Avus Berlin
1967 - Kopenhagen
these informations are from the old FIA Papers
And from the F2/3 Register comes the information that the car won Hockenheim and Roskilde 1967.
I will use the Car for Racing next Year

Good Race

[Hagis]

Regarding the BT 21 of Kurt Ahrens Jr. and the Danish races, he won the "Åbningslöbet 1967" (opening race) at Roskilde Ring April 30, 1967. He also won the Grand Prix, sometimes called the Copenhagen GP, not in Copenhagen, but on the same Roskilde Ring, August 19-20, 1967. He also visited the Djursland Ring at Grenå winning their "Åbningslöbet", April 23, as well as Jyllandsringen at Silkeborg for the Esso Jyllands Cup on June 18, 1967- and he won. The win at Hockenheim for the Nations Cup of course had the most merit in front of Regazzoni, Pescarolo, Lucas and Jabouille.
Ahrens usually arrived with an Opel Blitz fully workshop equipped and the the Brabham impeccably prepared.
Regards. Hagis

[Hagis]

Regarding BT 21Bs and Chris Townsends notes of 28 March, may I add my own notes and comments.
1: Mike Keens to Mats Byström 69
8: According to my notes this should be Ulf Svensson to Torsten Palm in 69 and Kjell Sääv in 1970.
16: Here I have Ove Nicklasson with probably Greger Kronegård in 69.
17: Jonas Qvarnström, Per-Eric Ericsson in 69-70.
19: Here I have Curt Lincoln with Rolf Tellsten in 69-70.
26: Tetsu Ikuzawa, Eddie Jacobsson in 69 and Erling Carlsson in 70.
Unfortunately there are some differences that also gives some ??, maybe somebody has something to add to this?

Regards, Hagis

[edholly]

In 1974 Elton is selling a BT18 'ex Peter Deal/David Wray' so F2.21.66. Deal last appears in the car 1969, so don't know if Elton has it from then. Peter Deal runs in libres at Llandow and Castle Combe in 1972, 1973 and 1974 in a twin-cam Brabham variously described as a BT21, BT21B, BT21D and BT21XD. But once in 1974 Autosport describe it in the text of the report as a BT18 and I wonder if it was his old BT18 updated.

Anyone have anything on this car? Ted - did you see it?

Allen

Allen, and anyone else that may be able to help ...

still trying to track the history of BT21C AM288 which is possibly BT21C-14 .... came across this

I bought a programme which my BT15 ran at Brands 28 Nov 65, and it has a H. McLaughlin as reserve in a U2 ... a Google search of this name brings him up as an entrant for Peter Deal in a BT18 at Mallory 12/5/68 .. Peter Deal then turns up in your post above in a BT21 something.

DCPR advises that -14 went to Opert for driver McLaughlin, but is there a chance it went to McLaughlin for driver Deal. A long shot I know, but have to follow every lead. Will also check with Duncan ...

[allenbrown]

Originally Posted by edholly

In 1974 Elton is selling a BT18 'ex Peter Deal/David Wray' so F2.21.66. Deal last appears in the car 1969, so don't know if Elton has it from then. Peter Deal runs in libres at Llandow and Castle Combe in 1972, 1973 and 1974 in a twin-cam Brabham variously described as a BT21, BT21B, BT21D and BT21XD. But once in 1974 Autosport describe it in the text of the report as a BT18 and I wonder if it was his old BT18 updated.

Anyone have anything on this car? Ted - did you see it?

Allen

Allen, and anyone else that may be able to help ...

still trying to track the history of BT21C AM288 which is possibly BT21C-14 .... came across this

I bought a programme which my BT15 ran at Brands 28 Nov 65, and it has a H. McLaughlin as reserve in a U2 ... a Google search of this name brings him up as an entrant for Peter Deal in a BT18 at Mallory 12/5/68 .. Peter Deal then turns up in your post above in a BT21 something.

DCPR advises that -14 went to Opert for driver McLaughlin, but is there a chance it went to McLaughlin for driver Deal. A long shot I know, but have to follow every lead. Will also check with Duncan ...

Not knowing where Duncan got his reference from, it's hard to know. If it went to Opert, that means it crossed the pond to the US. McLaughlin would then be a US driver - I'd suggest a FC driver as we know FB reasonably well during this period.

What's the Google reference connecting Deal and "H McLaughlin"?

[Chris Townsend]

Nice to see that Duncan is happy to advise original owners from the works records - could he give us the rest of the BT21Cs?

McLaughlin probably McGlothlin, W or R.N. comes from Georgia, appears with BT21C at VIR Sept 68, and again in SCCA and Sebring in 1969
Could Duncan advise the date of the sale

I think that thinking of this car as having English connections is really barking up the wrong tree. Apart from Williamson and Eaves I would suspect that every other 21C went to the USA

Chris

[allenbrown]

Of Course! I hadn't thought of McGlothlin. I have two records for McGlothlin - a Noel McGlothlin of SEDiv at the 1966 Run-Offs with a Lola and a RN McGlothlin of Chattanooga, TN, in a Crimson Brabham BT21 at Sebring December 1969. Also, as Chris says, Noel McGlothlin of Rossville, GA at VIR in Sep 1968 in a BT21C. Rossville is right on the Georgia/Tennessee border and just five miles south of Chattanooga. So quite possibly the same person.

He didn't score points in SEDiv in 1969 but that doesn't mean he wasn't there.

[Chris Townsend]

McGlothlin is a fairly common name in the eastern part of the old South [Virginia through to Georgia] up in the hills...
There was a W.G. McGlothlin who in the early 70s was president of a company called Brock & Blevins in Rossville [found this through court papers on-line]; N. McGlothlin in the VIR programme from Sept 68 is described as a 29 year old engineer from Rossville, so too young to be the co. president, but son?
29 would make him 69 this year, so probably still around

Chris

[allenbrown]

Chris, you and I have different research methods but the same result. I searched facebook for McGlothlins in Chattanooga and found several - possibly the college-going grandchildren of Noel

[Alan Brown]

Sold at the Bonhams auction at the Goodwood Revival Meeting was AM199.

http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/publi...aleSectionNo=2