Brabham BT21

[John Turner]

Richard Kendle's BT21B in the Silverstone pits garage on 16 October 2004:-

[LoLola]

I bought it from Don Roose in the Seattle area. It was Richard Burton owned originally prepared by Frank Williams, then to John Campbell to Wayne Mitchell to James Hunt and then on to Terry Harmer. I believe it was James Hunt's first formula car before going on to becoming F1 winner. In speaking to Wayne Mitchell, he confirmed the history as being accurate and knows the car well. He is a great resource that lives a few miles from me to boot! It sat doormat for quite some time in the northeast US eventually being picked up in need of restoration in Georgia. A few years back Dick Buckingham who is active with the SOVREN race organization in the northwest nearly died in an accident with it in New Zealand. The car was not seriously damaged but Dick took quite an impact. Don spent a great sum of money to carefully restore the car to its near perfect condition and I was lucky enough to get it. I plan to take it to the VARA British Extravaganza race on the west coast in April. Hope to see some of you there.

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Come on then, you know the drill. Who did you buy it from? Who ran it originally? How did you trace it back to the original owner?

We need your piece of the jigsaw put in place so we can fit in the others.



Allen

[John Turner]

Roger Bevan's BT21A at the Brands Hatch Historic Superprix, 23 July, 2005

[Chris Townsend]

LoLola

I think that your BT21C-16 may be BT21-16
Noted as this on John Campbell's car 14.9.67 which was ex Richard Burton in 1967.
Campbell to Wayne Mitchell and then James Hunt in 1970
Terry Harmer 1971
Richard Thompson is hill climbing an 'ex Hunt' BT21 Autosport 26.8.82 p. 62
Does this fit with your history?

Chris

[LoLola]

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

Does this fit with your history? Chris

It does, as is confirmed by Wayne Mitchell. Thanks



(A couple of suggested tips:- no need to quote in full, or at all, when referring to the previous post, and better to post reply under the quote rather than above it - JT )

[Michel Rechede]

Originally Posted by allenbrown

This is worth cross-posting here from the Unknown Brabhams thread:

So that's BT21C-6, owned previously by Spencer Elton and Peter Varley.

Allen

I am the new Owner of BT21C-6 untill dec 2004, I purchase it from Tim Barrington
Regards
Michel

[Al Murray]

QUOTE:

I am new to the forum and am looking for assistance.

Dirk,

If I can be of any help in your restoration, I would be glad to help. I am in the Seattle area and am very active with SOVREN and race with the VRCBC. My BT 21 AM177 frame is just about finished after a major tube change dash board forward. Most of the suspension parts are off to the plater. I can't wait to start fitting every thing to the chassis. Still need a few parts.

AL Murray

[John Lindsay]

Dirk
I think this is who you want
Peter V. Boyd - Owner -
Mailing address:
Message phone:

John Lindsay

[LoLola]

"I think that your BT21C-16 may be BT21-16"

It is actually BT21C-16 I thought about it and went back out to look and verify it.

Nick

[dirksx1]

Al,

Thanks for the offer. Will probably take you up on it. I am looking forward as well to putting the car togasther and vintage racing it in the seattle area.
I will contact you via Email to get your contact particulars.
regards,

Dirk s

[LoLola]

Dirk,

I just recently bought mine in Seattle and it was maintained by the owner and prepped at J&J Fabricating of Puyallup WA. Louie Shefnick is the owner and is a real nice and knowledgeable guy. They seem to know the BT21 quite well.

Here is the contact info, good luck.

http://www.jandlfabricating.com/Contact.aspx

Nick

[John Turner]

Stephen Wilkinson's (no, not 10-Tenth's regular poster!) BT21, at Cadwell Park, 23 April 2006:-

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by John Turner

Stephen Wilkinson's (no, not 10-Tenth's regular poster!) BT21, at Cadwell Park, 23 April 2006:-

Funny that as I was entered in a sprint at Three Sisters a few years back and Stephen was also there. The organisers got in a complete muddle with numbers and paddock allocations!

PS nice car!

[allenbrown]

I'm curious about BT21As and we don't seem to have covered them much.

So far we've have:
10 built
BT21A/2 (or 12?) - John Fenning 1968 - Nick Williamson 1969 - Robin Darlington 1969 - Jim Charnock 1969-1970 or 71 - John Wingfield 1972 libre ... USA 2005
BT21A/7 - Graham Harvey (NZ) ... became a sports car ... Australia 2005
BT21A/8 - Robert Lamplough 1967 (also driven by Mike Walker) - Ecurie Ecosse/Bill Dryden 1968/69- Phil Guerola 1970-72 ... [This from Chris T]
BT21A/9 - Tony Griffiths 1967 - Mickels 1968 - Griffiths again - Tom Elton 1969 - John Brown 1969? - Chris Court 1970 - Ravenscrofts 1971 - Roger Hartley 1972-73 ... Australia 2005
BT21As in the US: Fred Ashplant and Lou Sell at least; maybe David Webster and Mike Hiss as well

Anyone know of any others? Still seem to be missing a few.

Allen

[Andrew Fellowes]

21X is up for auction yet again on the 24th May at H&H

1966 and the only BT21X made, chassis number BT21X-1

what ever, as long as it makes them happy.

http://www.classic-auctions.co.uk/

[Bryan Miller]

Allen,

I believe you need to delete BT21A-7 as the ex NZ car and make it BT21-7 , Chris and I have had seperate discussions re this car.
Bryan.

[allenbrown]

Thanks Bryan

So quite a few missing. Presumably buried in the depths of SCCA racing.

We now have:
10 built
BT21A/2 (or 12?) - John Fenning 1968 - Nick Williamson 1969 - Robin Darlington 1969 - Jim Charnock 1969-1970 or 71 - John Wingfield 1972 libre ... USA 2005
BT21A/8 - Robert Lamplough 1967 (also driven by Mike Walker) - Ecurie Ecosse/Bill Dryden 1968/69- Phil Guerola 1970-72 ... [This from Chris T]
BT21A/9 - Tony Griffiths 1967 - Mickels 1968 - Griffiths again - Tom Elton 1969 - John Brown 1969? - Chris Court 1970 - Ravenscrofts 1971 - Roger Hartley 1972-73 ... Australia 2005
BT21As in the US: Fred Ashplant and Lou Sell at least; maybe David Webster and Mike Hiss as well

So between 3 and 5 missing.

Allen

[James Murray]

BT21A-2 as follows from my dads records:-

Purchased new by Tony Griffiths or possibly Sir Nick Williamson in 1967; sold to John Brown then to John Ravenscroft who sold it to Frank Williams. Purchased by John Fenning and raced by him or Howard Bennett about six times. Painted blue with a red stipe with white edge. First car fitted with Willans seat belts by John Fenning. Sold to Robin Darlington who raced it in 1968 and he sold it to Jim Charnock of Liverpool who used it in 1969. Exchanged plus cash for a BT30 with John Wingfield who raced it for 18 months; six wins in club formula libre races. Sold to Steve Malins of Mamod Models who sold it on in 1975 to Havery Hodgson of Blackpool who used it in speed events with a Fiat twincam engine. Stored from 1980 until June 1987 when my dad (Roger Murray) bought it.

It was sold in 1990/1 to Graham North when dad bought BT30-12 from Mike Freeman. Graham North sold it on to Steven Foster who recently sold it to Roger Bevan making Allen's refernence to the car being in USA incorrect unless Roger Bevan has sold within the last 6 months.

I have some photos of the car when dad bought it from Harvey Hodgson and will willingly post them if someone can explain how to do so.

The car came with chassis plate intact.

[allenbrown]

Originally Posted by James Murray

BT21A-2 as follows from my dads records:-

Purchased new by Tony Griffiths or possibly Sir Nick Williamson in 1967; sold to John Brown then to John Ravenscroft who sold it to Frank Williams. Purchased by John Fenning and raced by him or Howard Bennett about six times. Painted blue with a red stipe with white edge. First car fitted with Willans seat belts by John Fenning. Sold to Robin Darlington who raced it in 1968 and he sold it to Jim Charnock of Liverpool who used it in 1969. Exchanged plus cash for a BT30 with John Wingfield who raced it for 18 months; six wins in club formula libre races. Sold to Steve Malins of Mamod Models who sold it on in 1975 to Havery Hodgson of Blackpool who used it in speed events with a Fiat twincam engine. Stored from 1980 until June 1987 when my dad (Roger Murray) bought it.

It was sold in 1990/1 to Graham North when dad bought BT30-12 from Mike Freeman. Graham North sold it on to Steven Foster who recently sold it to Roger Bevan making Allen's refernence to the car being in USA incorrect unless Roger Bevan has sold within the last 6 months.

I have some photos of the car when dad bought it from Harvey Hodgson and will willingly post them if someone can explain how to do so.

The car came with chassis plate intact.

Hi James

In interpreting your dad's records, is it possible you've got two cars combined here? The first part of your post seems to be the history of BT21A/9 from 1967 to 1971 (i.e. Griffiths - Brown - Ravenscroft) and then it seems to pick up the John Fenning car from 1967 (i.e. Fenning - Darlington - Charnock - Wingfield etc).

The history you've given for the Fenning car is very solid. All we need to do now is go back to Chris's original source for believing it was chassis 12 and see how solid that was. If it was just a single reference in Motoring News or Autosport, chances are that the chassis plate was simply misread. After all, MRD records say only ten were built.

Also, I need to try to figure out why I've been listing this BT21A as "USA 2005" as my notes say "Cumbria 1997". I think I've simply screwed up. It happens!

Allen

[Chris Townsend]

I think the original source for chassis 12 is an MN hill climb report talking about Williamson's car

Chris

[James Murray]

BT21A-2 Allen where did you get the Cumbria reference from in 1997 as although I do live in there this car had not resided there since 1991 when it was sold.

I'll have a look through my dads notes again, there are some autosport references to the car which I will check.

[allenbrown]

Hi James

I got some information from a source who likes to remain anonymous. It was dated 1997 so it must have been out of date even then.

Allen

[LoLola]

I was racing my Lotus 23 this past weekend at the British Extravaganza race in California and met Wayne Mitchell who was a VARA tech inspector. He was the owner of my car BT21C-16 back in and around 1969 and told me quite a bit about it's history including when he sold it to James Hunt. One bit of interesting history that I was not aware of according to him is that at one point Doug Revson either owned or drove the car at a fatal crash in Denmark. Does anyone know anything or is there any history of Doug about this?

Nick

[allenbrown]

From http://peterrevson.tripod.com/canam.html:

July 23, 1967 - Denmark - Doug Revson, at age 26 lost control of his Brabham BT21 and is killed at a F3-meeting in Denmark, at the Djurslandring.

[allenbrown]

Regarding BT21A/2 (or 12), Autosport (24 May 1968 p33, 7 Jun 1968 pp29, 44) says the 1968 Stockbridge Racing BT21A was ex-Sir Nick Williamson and was shared by John Fenning and Howard Bennett. Fenning was giving the Kincraft a run for its money on the circuits and Bennett ran it at Gurston.

And BT21A/9 goes back to Tony Griffiths again at the start of 1969 and then to Chris Court in the first few days of May 1969 (AS 9 May 1969) so I don't know where Tom Elton and John Brown fit in.

Allen