Brabham BT21

[allenbrown]

Lamplough's BT21A/8 is advertised (AS 2 Feb 1968 p41) where it's said to have been "supplied end of August". Bill Dryden appears in it at Ingliston 31 March but it's then said to be "new" (AS 5 Apr 1968 p30). However, Chris has established pretty clearly that it was the ex-Lamplough car.

I also checked for the first appearance of Griffith's BT21A/9 in 1967 and it seems to be at Loton Park at the end of July (AS 4 Aug 1967 p209) - he'd used the Felday 6 in the first half of the season - so if BT21A/8 is delivered in July and BT21A/9 in August, can we be confident that Sir Nick's early 1967 car was BT21A/2, not BT21A/12?

Allen

[John Turner]

Trevor Messett's BT21 - 25 at Brands Hatch Superprix, 6 May, 2006:-

[Chris Townsend]

Regarding the Doug Revson BT21
wasn't this a car entered by Ian Walker Racing?

I thought that chassis 16 began its life with Richard Burton and lay
idle after his accident at Rheims until Campbell bought it for 1968

Does this imply that Burton's team sold it off or loaned it to Walker?

Chris

[John Turner]

Nigel Miller's BT21 at Brands Hatch Superprix, 6 May, 2006:-

[John Turner]

I hope this one counts! Mike Gatt's Techcraft BT21 - 3.9 V8 - Brands Superprix, 6 & 7 May, 2006

[allenbrown]

Techcraft BT21!?!?!

Isn't that the Techcraft-Buick? The frame was rather loosely based on a BT23 as I recall but it never saw the inside of the MRD factory.

Or did it Ted? I can't imagine why anyone would want to claim that the Techcraft-Buick was a Brabham.

Allen

[allenbrown]

By the way, great pictures John!

[John Turner]

Thanks, Allen!

The programme says, Techcraft Brabham BT21, 3900cc, 1966!

If it's not a Brabham, I'll remove it!

[LoLola]

I truly don't know. I am going off of what Wayne Mitchell knew of the car as he owned it in 1969. I will dig deeper into it to find out more.

Nick

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

Regarding the Doug Revson BT21
wasn't this a car entered by Ian Walker Racing?

I thought that chassis 16 began its life with Richard Burton and lay
idle after his accident at Rheims until Campbell bought it for 1968

Does this imply that Burton's team sold it off or loaned it to Walker?

Chris

[LoLola]

After trying to find out more on Revsons story, I did not come up with Ian Walker as an entrant. I found Ian Walker as another Entrant for Peter Westbury & Phillipe Tose. I found on the F3 register that it was listed as Doug Revson as both Entrant and Driver on the day that it crashed and not Ian Walker. Where did the Ian Walker history come from?

I did see an advertisement somewhere that chassis 19 was driven by Revson as an ex Ian Walker entry but not sure where that history comes from either.

I got a little more information tonight from Wayne Mitchell. He said that he purchased the car from John Campbell through an aquaintance he met at Frank Williams the year before named Jim Gleave. He was told at that time in 1969 that is was the Doug Revson Car. He eventually sold it to Jim at Motor Racing Enterprises in Bourne End Bucks for them to run James Hunt in the car.

Nick

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by John Turner

Thanks, Allen!

The programme says, Techcraft Brabham BT21, 3900cc, 1966!

If it's not a Brabham, I'll remove it!

The Techcraft-Buick is owned by Peter Voigt.

Roy Lane did build several V8 specials and I believe the one you spotted at Brands uses a BT21 chassis.

[allenbrown]

Oh yes, of course it is. I should have remembered that.

So I have no idea what this BT21/Techcraft is. What I spoke to Gatt last year, I came away with the impression that I'd just been looking at Lane's Techcraft-Buick.

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Oh yes, of course it is. I should have remembered that.

So I have no idea what this BT21/Techcraft is. What I spoke to Gatt last year, I came away with the impression that I'd just been looking at Lane's Techcraft-Buick.

Agnes Mickel in the Techcraft-Buick at Doune in 1971.

[John Turner]

Bryan Miller has asked me to put this picture on -

Ron Coath BT21A-9 , Eastern Creek Australia March
2006:-

[allenbrown]

Originally Posted by allenbrown

can we be confident that Sir Nick's early 1967 car was BT21A/2, not BT21A/12?

I think we can now. Race Report 1969 p100 shows Jim Charnock's car at Oulton Park 20 Sep 1969 as "BT21A (2)".

Allen

[allenbrown]

Here's one of those odd occasions when the answer may preceed the question. Autosport 12 Aug 1971 p52, there's an advert:

"BRABHAM BT21/B
Lucas 8's and 10's. New YB11's, Graviner. Engine stripped for inspection and to be rebuild with new rings, bearings etc. Chassis restoved. New clean car. Ready to race. Formula 4 winner? £900 or near offer, might PA 4.2 E Type. Contact Mr Coleman, The Forge, Liberton Hall, Grafty Green, Lenham, Kent. Tel: Ulcombe (Kent) 276.

Allen

[IANHEB]

My friend Andrew Thompson bought a BT21B from Peter Coleman on 9th September
1971.The car was in 1000cc F3 trim,and was advertised in Autosport.The
transaction took place at Brands Hatch as Andrew worked at the Hawke/Lazenby
factory in Hoddessdon and Peter Coleman was somewhere in Kent or a
neighbouring county.Andrew has always understood the car to be ex Tetsu
Ikuzawa,but cannot remember if this was stated in the Autosport advert or
was verbally from the vendor.The car has no chassis plate,but is an original
Arch Motors chassis stamped AM232.A couple of years ago Ted told me that
AM232 was not recorded against any of the BT21B's that he had records for.
Thats the background,and now I need to ask couple of favours,
1.Does anybody have all of the August 1971 issues of Autosport.I need to try
and track down the advert in the classified section of the 5 issues up to
early September.The advert might not mention Coleman or Ikuzawa,but I am
sure it will state that it is 1000cc F3 and the contact phone number will be
in the Southeast somewhere.
2.Can I ask Ted if either of the 21B's recorded in the F3R as being used by
Ikuzawa,chassis no's 26 and 32,are precluded from being AM 232 because they
have other AM numbers recorded against them ?.Similarly,if 26 and 32 are registered
with known owners,the above exercise will just become of
sentimental interest for me/Andrew rather than a step towards
identification.
Many thanks to Allen for already finding the Autosport advert as detailed above.
Ian

[allenbrown]

The advert seems to be saying it's a (1967) BT21 not a (1968) BT21B. Maybe Ted can also comment on whether the AM number is in the right range for a BT21.

Allen

[IANHEB]

Allen,
I saw BT21A - 10 at a race near Chicago in 2000.Frame AM 223 looked original.

[allenbrown]

Thanks Ian. Do you recall who owned it?

Allen

[LoLola]

BT21A-10 is currently advertised for sale in Colorado. it is on the back page of Vintage Motorsport Magazine being sold by a David Jacobs for $75,000

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Thanks Ian. Do you recall who owned it?

Allen

[LoLola]

It was not Vintage Motorsport, it was Victory Lane Magazine.

[Ted Walker]

Ikuzawa raced BT 21-45 (am 2..) That was bought as a wreck by Tony Trimmer from FRank Williams and tony rebuilt it in his "spare time" whilst working for Frank.Tony convertied it to a F Ford raced it and sold it to Martin Grant Peterkin.It was restored and raced in recent times as a F Ford by Matthew Watts and is now once again owned by Matin Grant Peterkin and raced in HSCC F Fords by his two sons.

[James Murray]

I have finally spoken to Peter Seakman re bt21c-6. He informed me he purchased the car from John Dax? who was the Clerk of the cousre at Thruxton in the 80's according to Peter. Does this ring any bells. He also said that Jim Johnstone owned the car in the late 70's.

[David McKinney]

Sounds like Ian Bax?