Mini racing in the south east.

[Robert Morris]

Originally Posted by mig

Part of it will be std then the rest will be made of bean cans.
I definitely wo
Be a pain if a Mig wants to do the odd round.
Are you playing in Europe this season Rob or with the Migs?

i have been waiting for my shoulder to heal before i made the final decision
one thing for sure i wont be altering the spec of any purple racing minis
Ive registered as a mini 7 club racing member but there are several date classes for me so i will do selected rounds of the migs.
What else i do now needs thinking about.

[Robert Morris]

Just for the record the mini 7 club is holding its AGM this weekend where car and rule changes will be voted on by the competitors then and if passed the rules or changes will come in to effect in 12 months time.
This seems a very fair way dont you think.

[Cujo]

I hear that the M7RC are considering allowing LSD's in Migs, an interesting move.

SEMSEC have a good calendar this season with three trips to Brands, I think that's where I will be. Plus Spa and maybe Nurburgring, although I hear I may need to add a catalytic converter for these events?

[Cujo]

All SE Mini racers might like to know that Big Dave is laid up with a broken arm

Dave, I think you should stop trying to juggle Shogun's – A bit much, even for you

Hope you get fixed soon, and no I don't think you can weld this one mate!

[greenamex2]

Originally Posted by rww

Spot on Ken. This looks like the offending DMN Reg. Bodywork 5.6.1

For the purposes of mounting oil and fuel tanks and pumps the boot floor in-between the vehicle chassis rails and rearward of the rear axle line may be modified, irrespective of modifications the boot floor must remain a welded steel construction, the use of alloy plate or rivets to replace material removed is prohibited.
My garage is gradually filling up with bits from the car somebody says I can no longer use.Utterly P'd off.

If anyone is interested alternate materials for boot floors are allowed in Classic Thunder.

See me or the following link if you are interested.

http://www.classictouringcars.com/pa...r2010draft.doc

PS This was posted on a train whilst very drunk, apologies for any typos/gibberish etc.

[Robert Morris]

Originally Posted by Cujo

I hear that the M7RC are considering allowing LSD's in Migs, an interesting move.

SEMSEC have a good calendar this season with three trips to Brands, I think that's where I will be. Plus Spa and maybe Nurburgring, although I hear I may need to add a catalytic converter for these events?

See you at Brands then Steve.

[Robert Morris]

Gavin aka Big dave we wish you well and a speedy recovery from the purple gang

[mig]

Originally Posted by Denis Bassom

If anyone is interested alternate materials for boot floors are allowed in Classic Thunder.

See me or the following link if you are interested.

http://www.classictouringcars.com/pa...r2010draft.doc

PS This was posted on a train whilst very drunk, apologies for any typos/gibberish etc.

And I also believe that there is an up to 1400cc class as well

[Minicross424]

I suggest that some one contacts Alex Osbourne and tells him about this rule.

[graham bahr]

Originally Posted by kjw

That is unfortunate as propably all the mini's that race, or have raced in DMN have carbon or glass fibre boot floors. The reasons are for the obvious weight reduction and to get the tank lower in the car. A steel floor can be fabricated but we all try to make these cars as light as possible so they are reasonably competitive with the limited power that we have available from the old 5 port A series. It is a shame but I can't imagine people that have spent their hard earn't cash on fitting carbon fibre everything doing a U turn and fitting a steel boot floor. Think of the rust. Are we sure there is no way round this?.

thats unfortunate, BUT the rules have always stated no modifications allowed to the unitary construction and only minor modifications to boot floor to allow the fitting of a fuel cell, further more they also stated it wasnt permissable to remove the entire boot floor which obiviously your are doing if you fit an alloy or carbon floor,

so in actual fact the rules havnt changed just clarified at the request of the scruitieers

[Minicross424]

Fair point Graham (and this dont affect me as i have existing floor) but i think that some of the mini drivers see this as a kick in the nuts what with changing of the class structures as well.

[Chris_w]

Originally Posted by graham bahr

thats unfortunate, BUT the rules have always stated no modifications allowed to the unitary construction and only minor modifications to boot floor to allow the fitting of a fuel cell, further more they also stated it wasnt permissable to remove the entire boot floor which obiviously your are doing if you fit an alloy or carbon floor,

so in actual fact the rules havnt changed just clarified at the request of the scruitieers

So given that this is a rule that hasn't previously been enforced, doesn't appear to have a strong safety arguement behind it (we can run these floors in Intermarque, miglias etc) and will have the effect of wiping out the mini contingent from Class E, is there not a strong case for reviewing whether it is required?

Thanks Lee for the heads up, and get well soon Gavin

[Chris_w]

Originally Posted by Minicross424

I suggest that some one contacts Alex Osbourne and tells him about this rule.

Anyone in contact with Peter Crewes as well?

[Minicross424]

Mike Edgell is another we should get in touch with.

[greenamex2]

Originally Posted by mig

And I also believe that there is an up to 1400cc class as well

That's correct.

And if you change the engine for something different (not bike based though) you run in the correct capacity class for the new engine.

[graham bahr]

So given that this is a rule that hasn't previously been enforced, doesn't appear to have a strong safety arguement behind it (we can run these floors in Intermarque, miglias etc) and will have the effect of wiping out the mini contingent from Class E, is there not a strong case for reviewing whether it is required?

ok a couple of answers to that,

1stly we cant have one rule for one class or just minis and another for everyone else

2ndly, the scruitieers asked for the clarification, so that it its there like it or not

3rdly, how can making an existing rule which it now seems obvious that certain cars didnt comply with clearer be a kick in the nuts? its more of a kick in the nuts to all the other cars that have always complied

4thly, you all seem rather outraged, but making a public song and dance isnt going to help anyones case

[Chris_w]

Hi Graham, enraged is probably a bit strong, I/we hadn't appreciated this was a clarification of an existing rule, and as you say, rules are rules so it's up to us to decide whether we want to run to them.

What is disappointing personally is that we now won't see most if not all of the minis mentioned above out in DMN.

Also, had Lee not mentioned it here, some of us would have turned up at the first round oblivious to this clarification, how are these communicated to the competitiors - I can't see anything in the posted provisional regs drawing attention to this?

Thanks,

Chris

[graham bahr]

the provisional regs you will of seen are exactly the same as the MSA has and its in there.

there have been notications in both our brief talk magazine and in the covering letter which was attached to regulations we sent or emailed out advising there may be detail changes to the regulations and competitors were advised to read them,

personally i cant understand how anyone can enter a car without reading the rules

[kjw]

To clarify I am not at all outraged, just a bit confused about it all and disillusioned.

[Copperbottom]

Originally Posted by graham bahr

personally i cant understand how anyone can enter a car without reading the rules

So what happens IF cars that won classes overall in previous years weren't within these rules?? Will the next legal car be awarded with the class win/s?

Please don't anybody take offence by this question,I'm just interested and don't want to upset anybody.

[graham bahr]

nick as with all forms of motorsport once any protest period has passed the results stand whatever subsequently may or may not come to light

[Copperbottom]

Thanks for the clarification

[Cujo]

Originally Posted by Denis Bassom

That's correct.

And if you change the engine for something different (not bike based though) you run in the correct capacity class for the new engine.

Can you run slicks?

[greenamex2]

Originally Posted by Cujo

Can you run slicks?

Yep.

We have a class structure for non-slick cars but at present that wouldn't benefit a sub 1400cc car.

We have had a few Mini Miglia's run with us in the past. We also keep getting interest from Honda engined Mini's but they have yet to materialise anywhere yet, fingers crossed.

Keith Wilkinson is also a regular runner with us. Commutes all the way from SPAIN. You might recognise his name, he had his car stolen last year but is busy sticking together a new one.

[Robert Morris]

Some one please correct me if im wrong but not being allowed a carbon boot floor is not a saftey issue but a dmn regs and not a MSA ruling.
Because you can run in class A.