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Yep, definitely. I was more thinking from a driver point of view and the temps they sometimes need to endure
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The Nascar driver is sitting directly in the blow torch flame though, and the F1 driver has that all exiting behind him, so the heating effect is much less in a rear engine car.
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I've had the privilege to stick my head into a few modern touring cars in the last few years just after they have been out doing a race and the heat inside the car just blew me away.
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I bet they would be pretty hot after the race, especially with all the electric technology they have these days, although there is some cooling to the drivers
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The Grosjean accident at Sakhir certainly seems to have provided proof of concept for the Halo.
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To be fair a lot of people didn’t expect the halo to be used in that way. Been ages since we’ve seen a car go through a barrier
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That's precisely what Halo was designed to do. Remember Bianchi's fatal accident? If the Halo had been used then, he wouldn't have sustained the head injury when his car crashed into that recovery vehicle.
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During the 'surge' in clamor for a canopy or similar to be introduced, many cited Massa's incident as the reason. The adoption of the halo, along with the ballistic tests that helmets are subjected to, look to be the best compromise at the moment between preventing injury from external objects, shielding the driver and post-incident extraction. With that in mind, I feel the FIA have got it absolutely right. |
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He didn't go in backwards. Watch the footage for yourself, as I'm not going to post a link as it doesn't make for good general viewing. It was this accident that primarily lead to the development of the Halo.
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Oh really? So explain how the rear of his car was sheared off, yet the front was pretty much intact
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Yeah ok, my original point about was that those who were against the halo originally never expected to see a crash like Grosjean had in this day and age and therefore nobody expected it to be used that way. The halo has been more for protection against debris and other cars.
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The nose and cockpit of the car went under the recovery vehicle, partially lifting it of the ground and as the car continued the roll bar and airbox were sheared off.
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The FIA did test the halo (and other devices) with a wheel though. But anyway moving on
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I'm with you. I was really quite conflicted about Halo to begin with, just felt like a step too far - how wrong I was. Happy to stand corrected on that original opinion, based on on the further evidence since then that has definitely changed my opinion.
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Just like after each crash, there should be a review of what worked, what didn't. The same should be true for everyone who holds an opinion on safety device development.
For me it's true to say that my preference was and still is a full canopy, but there is no denying the halo's role in Grosjean's survival of the accident. What I am having thoughts about regarding a canopy, is whether the various escape system mentioned or proposed (I've suggested some in this thread myself) would have allowed Grosjean to escape as quickly as he did. By the same token, I wonder whether if a canopy was in place as part of the safety cell, would have kept him in a safe cocoon from the fire, allowing it to be put out/brought under sufficient control to then escape. I have no questions, and no answers, just airing my thoughts after several days of review and relief that Grosjean is alive and relatively unhurt. |
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