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Old 19 Dec 2017, 11:40 (Ref:3788050)   #151
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Still doesn't shed too much light on the situation. This will be the first time in the GT3 era of the Bathurst 12 Hour that Maranello have been missing
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Old 19 Dec 2017, 11:48 (Ref:3788052)   #152
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Still doesn't shed too much light on the situation. This will be the first time in the GT3 era of the Bathurst 12 Hour that Maranello have been missing
give them a call.

Havent seen any other information, but an expensive car and expensive parts and maybe they dont want to run Gt3 anymore because of the cost
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Old 19 Dec 2017, 13:08 (Ref:3788068)   #153
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Still doesn't shed too much light on the situation. This will be the first time in the GT3 era of the Bathurst 12 Hour that Maranello have been missing
Agreed. How much help did Ferrari give them last year, considering Vilander ran with them?

Wonder where Lowndes might end up?
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Old 19 Dec 2017, 14:08 (Ref:3788084)   #154
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Still a great looking entry list. Now if we can reduce the number of safety car periods at the race. You can make a case for the event to be just GT3 car perhaps?
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Old 19 Dec 2017, 16:04 (Ref:3788112)   #155
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Audi Sport Team WRT - Audi R8 LMS GT3 - Robin Frijns / Stuart Leonard / Dries Vanthoor
Audi Sport Team WRT - Audi R8 LMS GT3 - Paul Dalla Lana / Pedro Lamy / Mathias Lauda
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Audi Sport Team WRT - Audi R8 LMS GT3 - Robin Frijns / Stuart Leonard / Dries Vanthoor
Audi Sport Team WRT - Audi R8 LMS GT3 - Paul Dalla Lana / Pedro Lamy / Mathias Lauda
Hmm, I expected stronger line-ups tbh, especially it are "Audi Sport" entries. Although they have Frijns and Vanthoor in the line-up. Leonard is a rather fast gentlemen driver who (as far as I know) not has experience at Bathurst. So he will be a weak link, which will be preventing them from winning i think.

So... I expect one (or two) of the Audi Customer Racing (MPC i guess) entries will be a full pro line-up like last year, supported by Audi (same what they did with Sainteloc and Magnus).
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Old 19 Dec 2017, 20:04 (Ref:3788155)   #157
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Hmm, I expected stronger line-ups tbh, especially it are "Audi Sport" entries. Although they have Frijns and Vanthoor in the line-up. Leonard is a rather fast gentlemen driver who (as far as I know) not has experience at Bathurst. So he will be a weak link, which will be preventing them from winning i think.

So... I expect one (or two) of the Audi Customer Racing (MPC i guess) entries will be a full pro line-up like last year, supported by Audi (same what they did with Sainteloc and Magnus).
Well Frijns and Vanthoor are both lightning fast.. shame about Leonard.. just put him in the pro-am car!!
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Old 20 Dec 2017, 00:08 (Ref:3788203)   #158
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Hmm, I expected stronger line-ups tbh, especially it are "Audi Sport" entries. Although they have Frijns and Vanthoor in the line-up. Leonard is a rather fast gentlemen driver who (as far as I know) not has experience at Bathurst. So he will be a weak link, which will be preventing them from winning i think.

So... I expect one (or two) of the Audi Customer Racing (MPC i guess) entries will be a full pro line-up like last year, supported by Audi (same what they did with Sainteloc and Magnus).
Couldnt agree more about Leonard, as far as I know he's never been to Bathurst before and that lack of experience will take that car out of the running for the win unfortunately for Frijins and Vanthoor. Its surprising that Leonard was picked but Im guessing he's helping with the budget hence why they chose him above a pro or someone with experience of the track.

It appears your prediction about MPC will come to fruition with Mies/Winkelhock/Haase in the first of 2 all pro cars with the other to be announced soon. Those will be the standout car for Audi. No weak link gentlemen drivers there.
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Old 20 Dec 2017, 00:46 (Ref:3788207)   #160
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Still a great looking entry list. Now if we can reduce the number of safety car periods at the race. You can make a case for the event to be just GT3 car perhaps?
Why? Most of the safety cars over the last few years have been caused by GT3 cars, not the class cars.
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Old 20 Dec 2017, 01:04 (Ref:3788211)   #161
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Maranello Motorsport.

Racing with Ferrari is why many of us attend.

It’s a massive loss for the race.

Can’t help but think we’ve seen GT3 and the Bathurst 12 hour peak in 2017.

The local championship has been **** poor for the last six months .

Concerning times when such a successful outfit like Maranello can’t get a sponsorship deal together at the greatest circuit in the land.

Disappointing for the fans and not a good look for the race .

No Nissan either - bring your best Bentley or it’ll be a German whitewash .
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Old 20 Dec 2017, 01:11 (Ref:3788213)   #162
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Concerning times when such a successful outfit like Maranello can’t get a sponsorship deal together at the greatest circuit in the land.
Outside of McDonalds (2015 and 2016) did Maranello ever rely on sponsorship for its entries?

I wonder if this year lack of running (both AGT & B12HR) has to do with a change in investment/interest from Peter Edwards or a reduction in support from Ferrari.
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Outside of McDonalds (2015 and 2016) did Maranello ever rely on sponsorship for its entries?

I wonder if this year lack of running (both AGT & B12HR) has to do with a change in investment/interest from Peter Edwards or a reduction in support from Ferrari.

Whatever the reason - to have no Ferrari presence in the race (apparently the Trass car has been withdrawn too) is an utter disappointment for Ferrari fans ..
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Maranello Motorsport.

Racing with Ferrari is why many of us attend.

It’s a massive loss for the race.

Can’t help but think we’ve seen GT3 and the Bathurst 12 hour peak in 2017.

The local championship has been **** poor for the last six months .

Concerning times when such a successful outfit like Maranello can’t get a sponsorship deal together at the greatest circuit in the land.

Disappointing for the fans and not a good look for the race .

No Nissan either - bring your best Bentley or it’ll be a German whitewash .
60 cars currently (we shall see) means that maybe 2018 has more cars than 2017. could hardly call 2017 the peak.

Maybe the issue lies with the Ferrari GT3 not providing good bang for the $
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Matt Brabham lands GT4 Bathurst 12 Hour drive

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Brabham, Seton (Aaron) and Longhurst (not definite yet)
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60 cars currently (we shall see) means that maybe 2018 has more cars than 2017. could hardly call 2017 the peak.
more cars but less variety... depends what you call a peak

The 1000 has less cars than ever these days yet its stronger than ever we are told

GT3 has likely peaked worldwide looking at the current trend, not just at the 12hr
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more cars but less variety... depends what you call a peak

The 1000 has less cars than ever these days yet its stronger than ever we are told

GT3 has likely peaked worldwide looking at the current trend, not just at the 12hr
time will tell i guess
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60 cars currently (we shall see) means that maybe 2018 has more cars than 2017. could hardly call 2017 the peak.

Maybe the issue lies with the Ferrari GT3 not providing good bang for the $
Do you judge Motorsport solely on total entries?

No doubt the depth of this field is down on recent years which is disappointing and a challenge for the promoter.

Not sure which evidence suggests the 488 doesn't provide bang for buck?
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Not sure which evidence suggests the 488 doesn't provide bang for buck?
Performance worldwide outside the 12 Hour in 2017, looking over results in series like IMSA and Blancpain - turns out that Bathurst was the 488's only major win in GT3 spec all season long.
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Do you judge Motorsport solely on total entries?

No doubt the depth of this field is down on recent years which is disappointing and a challenge for the promoter.

Not sure which evidence suggests the 488 doesn't provide bang for buck?
How is the depth down? you are limited things to solely manufacturers, number of cars and drivers also define the depth or at least thats what you have told me in the past when it wasnt run by supercars

BOP means i can race a 5 year old (plus) REX against a $750,000 Ferrari and the REX has just as much chance of winning

you can spend less money on a new Audi and be better supported in Australia, but have the same chance of winning

Thats bang for buck
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BOP means i can race a 5 year old (plus) REX against a $750,000 Ferrari and the REX has just as much chance of winning
er no, it doesn't mean that..

Show me a 2012-vintage GT3 car that will be competitive with the current crop of 2017 cars?
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Maybe the issue lies with the Ferrari GT3 not providing good bang for the $
The Ferrari 488 GT3 is regarded inside all paddocks and by pretty much every driver (regardless of what chassis they're driving at the time) around the world as probably the best GT3 car available at the moment. Ferrari (Michelotto) as a whole have also learned how to play the BoP game well after not really playing the game with the 458.

Not all cars have equal chances of winning because of BoP. That's the intent behind it, but it's not the result or a fact of life... at least not yet.

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