Ferrari P1 Rumours - Page 29

Nordic · 28 Jun 2014, 08:44 (Ref:3427406)

Money.

If, and it's hugely unlikely one Ferrari did come in with pukka works P1 then it will siphon money from not just the Ferrari f1 program but F1 in general.

The appeal of F1 is the hype that surrounds it, very little of it is about the racing to the people that pay for it. If Ferrari did up sticks then a lot of that hype would follow it leaving F1 damaged in terms of the money it could generate.

It's not about the racing folks, it's about the money.

F1 is TV friendly in ways wec can never be given the long distance / time nature of the events, and would be a harder sell, but if company's such as VAG, toyota and Nissan see it worth while then others could as well.

All those companies don't use it for the TV coverage, they use it for hospitality, getting your customers, suppliers etc together. From that point of view a longer distance race without the agro of F1 makes a lot sense. You have longer to spend with them, don't have to pay Bernies henchmen etc

TF110 · 28 Jun 2014, 10:09 (Ref:3427415)

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Originally Posted by MitchZ06

19-20 races that are an hour long vs 7 6 hour races and a 24 hour race, WEC is for a completely different type of motorsport enthusiast, one with a long attention span and a focus on the technology....not the driver....F1 is safe no matter what WEC does.

90 minutes for F1, some slightly more or less. The 24hr of Le Mans equals 80% of F1's total time racing on a 20 race schedule.

then 7 other 6hr races is another 2520 minutes. Thats 220% the race time F1 does in a season. I would like to see it broken up a little more. Some 8hr races and some 4hr races would give some different strategies for driver time. The same length each race is too much like F1.

MagVanisher · 28 Jun 2014, 10:34 (Ref:3427421)

I don't think the WEC would create races with different time-distance such as 4 to 8 hours. Having a four hour WEC race is similar to watching a 500-mile NASCAR race.

For now, a 6 hour race is fine in my opinion 'cause I don't want the WEC to get ahead of themselves, especially with Formula One.

Now back to the topic. Sure that Ferrari will be welcomed to the P1 class, but I'm worried that they'll be crying afoul when their car is outperformed by a large margin.

Also, if Ferrari leaves F1, which manufacturer will take the center stage to fill up the void? I don't see any of the VW Group brands joining Formula One due to its obviously-high cost.

hondafan37 · 1 Jul 2014, 17:51 (Ref:3429119)

How can this situation influence in the return of Ferrari to LMP1?
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114743

Articus · 1 Jul 2014, 17:52 (Ref:3429120)

Monza's drops off the F1 calendar over Ferrari's dead body...
So if that's true then Ferrari P1 here we come!

Articus · 1 Jul 2014, 17:54 (Ref:3429122)

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Originally Posted by MagVanisher

Also, if Ferrari leaves F1, which manufacturer will take the center stage to fill up the void? I don't see any of the VW Group brands joining Formula One due to its obviously-high cost.

Both Audi and Porsche are currently spending what amounts to a midfield F1 team budget right now. While Toyota supposedly spends back of the F1 grid money on it's front of the grid sportscar program

hondafan37 · 18 Sep 2016, 02:18 (Ref:3673415)

Finally this is the Ferrari unknown.

https://www.facebook.com/FerrariChal...type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/FerrariChal...type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/FerrariChal...type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/FerrariChal...type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/FerrariChal...type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/FerrariChal...type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/FerrariChal...type=3&theater

TF110 · 18 Sep 2016, 03:34 (Ref:3673517)

Good find. "Enclosed wheel championships..." wonder what they had in mind?

bentley speed 8 · 18 Sep 2016, 04:03 (Ref:3673541)

Maybe they are referring to the GTE/GT3 car?

rich07 · 18 Sep 2016, 04:31 (Ref:3673554)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TF110

Good find. "Enclosed wheel championships..." wonder what they had in mind?

I was quite intrigued by that too.

Can't think of anything short of a hypothetical GT1 class for it to run in. GTE and GT3 is well covered by the 488. There's no point in this car for those categories.

Was watching Oschersleben 2004 FIA GT last night. Loved those big banger GT1 cars such as the 550/575, Saleen, Lister, Maserati etc

hondafan37 · 18 Sep 2016, 17:26 (Ref:3673741)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Good find. "Enclosed wheel championships..." wonder what they had in mind?

In my point of view, the car was built with two purposes in mind.
1) It was the test mule of Turbo V6 engine to F1 (There was a video in Fiorano)
2) As some element of pressure to Ecclestone (like a Garage 56), Something weird happened the previous week of Le Mans 2014.
All the Journalists are given as a fact the return of Ferrari but not happened. I do not believe all of that are been wrong, there was something strange behind all that press operation.

TF110 · 18 Sep 2016, 19:19 (Ref:3673765)

It could be to test the F1 engine, but then it said 6.3L, which is the V12. Plus that "enclosed wheel championship" makes me think wec. They already have the 488 GTE/3 running, no need to be secretive about them. And ~960hp is way higher than any of those, plus they don't have a 6.3L V12, like the F1 car.

CTD · 18 Sep 2016, 20:30 (Ref:3673790)

DP?

rich07 · 18 Sep 2016, 21:02 (Ref:3673800)

Test mule for P1 drivetrain? That said such a big V12 doesn't meet regs for P1, if Ferrari did want to come back then the rules would be rewritten to allow that

hondafan37 · 18 Sep 2016, 22:34 (Ref:3673833)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TF110

It could be to test the F1 engine, but then it said 6.3L, which is the V12. Plus that "enclosed wheel championship" makes me think wec. They already have the 488 GTE/3 running, no need to be secretive about them. And ~960hp is way higher than any of those, plus they don't have a 6.3L V12, like the F1 car.

This is the video with V6 F1 turbo engine.
This is the same car without rear wing.
Perhaps after these tests they change the engine and put the V12
http://www.automoto.it/news/ferrari-...mans-2015.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od3H6Jxisfk
For me the car was the rumored Garage 56.

TRuss · 18 Sep 2016, 23:19 (Ref:3673849)

Why doesn't a large displacement V12 meet regulations?

As far as what it was built for it says "hypothetical closed wheel championship". As in something that doesn't really exist. It was never anything other than a test mule for the FXX-K and to see how it might work should a championship for it to race existed.

wolfhound · 19 Sep 2016, 07:28 (Ref:3673998)

It could be a case of Ferrari potentially loosing their big payments from F1's new owners and making a threat to move to get their way.

S griffin · 19 Sep 2016, 08:06 (Ref:3674013)

I enjoy seeing new prototypes in the series, the more variety the better

TheDude · 19 Sep 2016, 08:20 (Ref:3674020)

These was a video of this car and it sounded like a turbo

TzeiTzei · 19 Sep 2016, 08:47 (Ref:3674027)

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Originally Posted by wolfhound

It could be a case of Ferrari potentially loosing their big payments from F1's new owners and making a threat to move to get their way.

That would be an empty threat. Just like in the past. I don't believe for a second, that anyone in F1 would take that seriously. Ferrari and F1 need each other. I don't see what Ferrari have to benefit from leaving. Not to mention that I don't think any Italian would dare to make that decision. Kind of like ****ing on Enzo's grave.

FormulaFox · 19 Sep 2016, 08:51 (Ref:3674028)

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Originally Posted by TzeiTzei

Not to mention that I don't think any Italian would dare to make that decision. Kind of like ****ing on Enzo's grave.

I wouldn't be so sure of that considering the IndyCar project Enzo oversaw. Sure it was a bargaining chip to get the new F1 regulations changed to his liking, but the amount of effort that went into the car is certainly indicative that Enzo was willing to commit to leaving F1 for IndyCar if he didn't get his way.

TRuss · 19 Sep 2016, 21:45 (Ref:3674189)

This thing is from two years ago. What does that have to do with the two week old new owners in F1? It's a test mule, let go of the theories. Put some of this wasted brain power to better use like, is salted caramel the ultimate ice cream flavor? Or, strategies that could have won over that girl in high school 20 years ago because you are so much smarter now. Stuff like that.

hondafan37 · 9 May 2018, 19:29 (Ref:3821126)

Ferrari GT racing boss Antonello Coletta told Motorsport.com: "We are around the table with the other manufacturers, but we can't say if we are interested or not interested.

"We need to understand what is happening, but if the new category is not so expensive, a lot of manufacturers could be interested."

https://www.motorsport.com/wec/news/...-regs-1035091/

NaBUru38 · 13 May 2018, 01:05 (Ref:3821931)

Please move this thread to the ACO subforum.

Marcopolo · 15 May 2018, 15:42 (Ref:3822622)

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Originally Posted by dxk1

I agree, and they also might need a diversion from F1 where they just keep getting their butts kicked by Red Bull.

DK

It also puts more pressure on liberty media... Having an alternative series they could go to if they don't like the way the rules go

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