Grand Prix de Pau Historique 2009(And other possible events)

[henk4]

Originally Posted by simon drabble

(having said that my wife clearly still thinks that the Merlyn pension fund is safe as money in the bank.... ah)

if that is what she thinks you may have a problem

[Henrik Pedersen]

Oh yes, the cars dealing side of historic racing will greatly be effected.
Prices will fall drastictly.

But not like stocks at this moment, historic racecars can be a bonus right now. Its not papermoney.

[henk4]

Originally Posted by john ruston

It is now thanks to your mates!

that's too cryptic for me.

[john ruston]

Cars racing-Totally different to cars being purchased.People want things they can kick.Money spent on racing is money lost.Less people racing .
Never know we may see Clubs organise races rather than commercial firms

[john ruston]

Pieter-Its an response to Simons post

[Henrik Pedersen]

John: I agree that we might see clubracing expand, because they do it "con amore", not for "much" profit.

[john ruston]

Can't see the 200,000 GBP plus cars( which could be the same in Euro's by the end of today) reducing in cost for time being.

[simon drabble]

Well John I clearly owe Gareth a beer for keeping the stock value up!!

Car values are interesting - Cars like B8's and T70's which seem to be in plentiful supply must look toppy but cars with a nice history will always be ok..

[rogerwills]

Originally Posted by john ruston

I can see entry fees at Goodwood......

Like a dog with a bone.....

You never stop!

What is it with Goodwood John?????

[simon drabble]

Originally Posted by rogerwills

Like a dog with a bone.....

You never stop!

he must have been on the viagra again... ;-)

[john ruston]

On this occassion not having a go just pointing out that the corporate income will be lost and it has to be replaced by something.Don't have a problem with it only its effect on other events.Suggest you read recent posts.
You pro Goodwood people are easily wound up or very protective depending on your view.

[henk4]

Originally Posted by john ruston

On this occassion not having a go just pointing out that the corporate income will be lost and it has to be replaced by something.Don't have a problem with it only its effect on other events.Suggest you read recent posts.
You pro Goodwood people are easily wound up or very protective depending on your view.

this thread is about new events, it was opened on your request, and now we are back talking about Goodwood.......and btw, the run-off areas along the Mont Ventoux road are not that great either. I have been studying them in great detail during 2 hours and 15 minutes when I did the climb on my bicycle

[john ruston]

Patrick Peter ran a Ventoux weekend about ten years ago and it was superb.More suited to circuit racers than UK sprint hillclimbers.Nothings new and what vanishes if new events are put on the calender ?

[terence]

Originally Posted by henk4

this thread is about new events, it was opened on your request, and now we are back talking about Goodwood.......and btw, the run-off areas along the Mont Ventoux road are not that great either. I have been studying them in great detail during 2 hours and 15 minutes when I did the climb on my bicycle

I have never done on a bike,its far better by car!
Freeze your nuts off at the top in July,then back down for a glass or two of vin rouge,perfect!

[terence]

Originally Posted by henk4

this thread is about new events, it was opened on your request, and now we are back talking about Goodwood.......and btw, the run-off areas along the Mont Ventoux road are not that great either. I have been studying them in great detail during 2 hours and 15 minutes when I did the climb on my bicycle

OOps,double posht!

[john ruston]

Ventoux-Its in effect a Rally Stage so you only need run offs if there are others around you.You can drive fast cars slowly!Most people do

[terence]

Originally Posted by john ruston

On this occassion not having a go just pointing out that the corporate income will be lost and it has to be replaced by something.Don't have a problem with it only its effect on other events.Suggest you read recent posts.
You pro Goodwood people are easily wound up or very protective depending on your view.

Well said John,the specials created just for one event per year have had quite a big effect on just about every historic event held.What ever happened to the "Grey Lady"?

[John Turner]

Sold at auction for about £20k, a few months ago, I believe. But let's be clear, most of the cars are seen elsewhere, at some stage during the season; others, like many of the TT revival cars, don't get much of an airing and never have done but that's due to their value rather than anything else. It is the saloon/touring cars at Goodwood that seem to provide a big proportion of the 'specials', and even some of those have appeared at other events.

[simon drabble]

the Grey Lady, Rae Davis A35 and that yellow taxi they had one year are "pure Goodwood" cars. I am a great Goodwood fan but I am not entirely in favour of these hotrods but it is the saloon car race and the spectators love the David and Goliath aspect of these giant killers so I think I am in the minority.
The A35 (or at least the first one Rae Davis built) sold at the racing car show in 2001 (?) following its Goodwood debut for 17k. It caused comment at the time as the purchasor didn't want to drive it but just get an entry to Goodwood as Le Patron. Whether he succeeded or not I am not sure - always a dangerous strategy, buying a car for one race....

[john ruston]

We have five Major Historic Race meetings in Europe,Monaco,LMC,Spa,Oldtimers,Goodwood.Some held at two year intervals.Why Monaco and LMC are held the same year beats me.The second tier events such as Silverstone Festival trying to make the first tier.
How do people think these new events are going to fit and is it not possible for the organisers to talk to each other to get a proper annual programme.
In the past three years we have clashes between Pau and Brands,Goodwoods change of dates in Sept which do not help.
What happens next?Tour Auto seens to hold up but can the other Tours survive?One major Historic Meeting per month seems basis of a workable plan.

[terence]

I can never understand why, in this electronic age, that the organiser's dont communicate with each other,surely,if these events are all spaced out as John suggest's, they would all benefit from more entrys.I know that quite a lot of the major historic events revolve around F1 dates but even so,that circus is usually on the other side of the world when "our" events are held.

[terence]

Originally Posted by John Turner

Sold at auction for about £20k, a few months ago, I believe. But let's be clear, most of the cars are seen elsewhere, at some stage during the season; others, like many of the TT revival cars, don't get much of an airing and never have done but that's due to their value rather than anything else. It is the saloon/touring cars at Goodwood that seem to provide a big proportion of the 'specials', and even some of those have appeared at other events.

Thats when the problem arrise's John,the cars are not returned to thier "Pre Goodwood" state.I fail to see the reason why a GW win is the be all and end all of anyones season.

[john ruston]

Forget about Goodwood cars etc and talk about Meetings.
Goodwood cars and engines are built for and one specfic meeting and I dont think this impinges on any other events.The Dutton Grey Lady was built for one race only.

[John Turner]

I was stating a fact, not an opinion. I agree with you both! Mind you, I'd love that hotrod Alvis as a road car!

[fasted]

I have not fully understood what The Circuit of Mont Ventoux is intended to be. The website hints at dashing back down the mountain ( by a different route) as well as dashing up it! Is it not being run on a rally permit?
It also refers to Co-drivers. It sounds like one of the "Ronde" type events that the French used to organise in the 70`s & 80`s. What started as a special stage event with link sections simply developed into an out and out road race. Could be fantastic. Where are the single seaters going to put their pace notes?