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Old 8 Mar 2018, 10:59 (Ref:3806824)   #181
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it adds to an interesting question though. Do we really need to move away from v8's
What cars will everyone race?

Not even Holden wants to run V8s anymore
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Old 8 Mar 2018, 11:09 (Ref:3806828)   #182
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Do teams today have the development capabilities teams had in the 80's and 90's?
Yes, and more!

These days parts can be designed *and* optimised^ virtually on inexpensive workstation computers.

^ using ANSYS etc style simulation programs for fluid mechanics and solid mechanics, which very easily tell you where can remove unnecessary material and conversely weak points were you need to add material. Likewise suspension settings could be pre-prepared using simulators like rFactor Pro.

Whereas in the old days I expect things would be designed more from "first principles" (with a slide rule as Mr Crompton would say!) and there would be a lot more physical trial and error via on-track testing.

Of course the more senior engineers may lament new timers who (may) lack common sense and the ability to apply first principles...

I do think the lack of on track testing days (and new tyres) available is a problem though...
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Old 8 Mar 2018, 11:10 (Ref:3806830)   #183
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Can't really afford to limit the engine options as they need the gates wide open for new manufacturers to view the series as an option. Personally I feel the impact of the gradual introduction of smaller capacity engines on the viewer-base to be overblown, though the proof will need to be in the pudding there. Besides, Supercars is already looking further into the future at Hybrids. Can't run V8's forever, the series will have to adapt at some stage.
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Old 8 Mar 2018, 11:13 (Ref:3806831)   #184
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Bit ironic that someone who dropped big coin into ST is now calling for V8s to stay
The V6 Ford Mondeos soundly just lovely!
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Old 8 Mar 2018, 11:13 (Ref:3806832)   #185
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One for the Whincup haters:
http://v8sleuth.com.au/news/2018/03/...-to-abrupt-end

Jamie had his first DNF in 26,023km of on-track running! That is something exceptional.

136 races without a DNF, 41 above the next highest from any other driver.

Greatest of All Time is a loaded discussion but he keeps racking up stunning numbers.
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One for the Whincup haters:
Whincup doesn't have haters, he is the best!
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Old 8 Mar 2018, 11:17 (Ref:3806834)   #187
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Consistency wins championships, that's why he and his team is and will always be at or near the top.
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Old 8 Mar 2018, 18:05 (Ref:3806911)   #188
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Consistency wins championships, that's why he and his team is and will always be at or near the top.
As does creative, last-minute rule changes being applied in series-deciders.
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Whincup doesn't have haters, he is the best!
His ex might beg to differ.
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As does creative, last-minute rule changes being applied in series-deciders.
Nice red herring.

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peckstar has a lot of promise if they can keep it on the circuit!
Erebus plans to stick with V8 Commodore for 2019

Financially this is a smart decision at least for the short term
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Anyone else thinking we're more likely to see the Dragon Motorsport Indy Car program than the V6TT?
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Old 14 Mar 2018, 21:54 (Ref:3808066)   #193
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I know we bang on about market relevance and all of that, but I don't think it's in the best interests of the sport itself, regardless of what Holden wants.

To convert 14 or so ZBs to V6TT is going to be a costly excercise for the teams, not to mention ruffling the feathers of the fanbase.

Sure, a lot of people want to see how it'd compare, but I really don't think it's a great idea in the grander scheme of things.
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Old 14 Mar 2018, 22:27 (Ref:3808068)   #194
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Anyone else thinking we're more likely to see the Dragon Motorsport Indy Car program than the V6TT?
well said

line ball i reckon

I was a little bit excited about the idea at first, But less now. at least until we get an idea where ford is going (if anywhere)
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Anyone else thinking we're more likely to see the Dragon Motorsport Indy Car program than the V6TT?
888 is likely to run v6tt from Adelaide next year, and true to form, when they have it and win big, the otherwise reluctant fellow Holden runners will likely follow suit at some point soon after.

There will be teething & unreliability problems with v6tt...
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